From:
Steven Clift
Date:
Feb 18 17:04 UTC
Short link
Anyone have an update on the Action Network and how it might related to ...
From:
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=40081&c=1
Regional newspapers’ fury at BBC local web plan
28 January 2008
By Sarah Lagan, Jason Craig
The BBC has prompted a new rift with the regional press by planning a network
of 60 ultra-local websites.
Previous plans for BBC ultra-local TV were dropped in October following a huge
backlash from regional newspapers that feared the service would stifle their
own multimedia online efforts.
Now Press Gazette has learned that the BBC is planning a new network of
websites, using the latest online localisation and mapping technology.
Controller of BBC English Regions Andy Griffee told students at Coventry
University that new service would involve text, audio and video news which
could be navigated using a map of a specified region.
...
The prototype BBC site covers news, sport, travel and weather with symbols
providing users with the main means of navigating between sections.
“E-democracy” will also enable people to research politicians and political
parties via more interactive and informative means.
Griffee said: “It is work in progress but I intend to go to the BBC Trust and
seek its permission to launch it. Users can decide how local is important to
them. It brings everything together in one place.”
User-generated content is understood to form a major part of the proposed new
network – which could be narrowed down by the user to the level of a town.
....
With my E-Democracy.Org hat on, I'd love to find a UK partner that could get
our self-governing/volunteer-led in front of communities all around the UK.
While Upmystreet or Craiglist prove there is some value in top-down technical
infrastructures defining geographical exchange, sustained interactive
"e-democracy" among citizens isn't one of them. However, if you combine high
traffic geographical navigation/news/information use with bottom-up community
ownership supporting the public two-way exchange, I think you might have
something quite powerful.
Steven Clift
E-Democracy.Org
From:
Stephen Coleman
Date:
Feb 18 17:35 UTC
Short link
The BBC is dropping/has dropped the Action Network. It plans to do a number of
other exciting things along these lines in the coming months. The Action
network (previously iCan) was always meant to be an experiment. The BBC is
right to learn from experiments and change course if that's what seems right.
Stephen
Stephen Coleman
Professor of Political Communication and Co-Director, Centre for Digital
Citizenship,
Institute for Communications Studies,
University of Leeds
________________________________
From: Steven Clift [mailto:]
Sent: Mon 18-Feb-08 5:04 PM
To:
Subject: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
Anyone have an update on the Action Network and how it might related to ...
From:
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=40081&c=1
Regional newspapers' fury at BBC local web plan
28 January 2008
By Sarah Lagan, Jason Craig
The BBC has prompted a new rift with the regional press by planning a network
of 60 ultra-local websites.
Previous plans for BBC ultra-local TV were dropped in October following a huge
backlash from regional newspapers that feared the service would stifle their
own multimedia online efforts.
Now Press Gazette has learned that the BBC is planning a new network of
websites, using the latest online localisation and mapping technology.
Controller of BBC English Regions Andy Griffee told students at Coventry
University that new service would involve text, audio and video news which
could be navigated using a map of a specified region.
...
The prototype BBC site covers news, sport, travel and weather with symbols
providing users with the main means of navigating between sections.
"E-democracy" will also enable people to research politicians and political
parties via more interactive and informative means.
Griffee said: "It is work in progress but I intend to go to the BBC Trust and
seek its permission to launch it. Users can decide how local is important to
them. It brings everything together in one place."
User-generated content is understood to form a major part of the proposed new
network - which could be narrowed down by the user to the level of a town.
....
With my E-Democracy.Org hat on, I'd love to find a UK partner that could get
our self-governing/volunteer-led in front of communities all around the UK.
While Upmystreet or Craiglist prove there is some value in top-down technical
infrastructures defining geographical exchange, sustained interactive
"e-democracy" among citizens isn't one of them. However, if you combine high
traffic geographical navigation/news/information use with bottom-up community
ownership supporting the public two-way exchange, I think you might have
something quite powerful.
Steven Clift
E-Democracy.Org
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From:
Taffd
Date:
Feb 18 18:06 UTC
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Dear Stephen,
Just to inform you that myverdict.net already has a worldwide, local to
international, e-democracy site, covering over 25,000 administrative divisions
in every inhabited country. The UK site, for example has Democracy, Article,
News and Forum sections, covering the UK, the four Home Countries, Counties and
Local Authority Districts or Unitary Authorities.
A formal request has been put to Sefton Council to enable the site to be used
as a tool to enhance consultation with the community, by informing the
residents of Sefton of it's existence and potential for the democratic process.
You might wish to inform the student body of it's existence.
Best Regards
Roy Daine
myverdict.net
Stephen Coleman <> wrote:
The BBC is dropping/has dropped the Action Network. It plans to do a number
of other exciting things along these lines in the coming months. The Action
network (previously iCan) was always meant to be an experiment. The BBC is
right to learn from experiments and change course if that's what seems right.
Stephen
Stephen Coleman
Professor of Political Communication and Co-Director, Centre for Digital
Citizenship,
Institute for Communications Studies,
University of Leeds
________________________________
From: Steven Clift [mailto:]
Sent: Mon 18-Feb-08 5:04 PM
To:
Subject: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
Anyone have an update on the Action Network and how it might related to ...
From:
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=40081&c=1
Regional newspapers' fury at BBC local web plan
28 January 2008
By Sarah Lagan, Jason Craig
The BBC has prompted a new rift with the regional press by planning a network
of 60 ultra-local websites.
Previous plans for BBC ultra-local TV were dropped in October following a huge
backlash from regional newspapers that feared the service would stifle their
own multimedia online efforts.
Now Press Gazette has learned that the BBC is planning a new network of
websites, using the latest online localisation and mapping technology.
Controller of BBC English Regions Andy Griffee told students at Coventry
University that new service would involve text, audio and video news which
could be navigated using a map of a specified region.
...
The prototype BBC site covers news, sport, travel and weather with symbols
providing users with the main means of navigating between sections.
"E-democracy" will also enable people to research politicians and political
parties via more interactive and informative means.
Griffee said: "It is work in progress but I intend to go to the BBC Trust and
seek its permission to launch it. Users can decide how local is important to
them. It brings everything together in one place."
User-generated content is understood to form a major part of the proposed new
network - which could be narrowed down by the user to the level of a town.
....
With my E-Democracy.Org hat on, I'd love to find a UK partner that could get
our self-governing/volunteer-led in front of communities all around the UK.
While Upmystreet or Craiglist prove there is some value in top-down technical
infrastructures defining geographical exchange, sustained interactive
"e-democracy" among citizens isn't one of them. However, if you combine high
traffic geographical navigation/news/information use with bottom-up community
ownership supporting the public two-way exchange, I think you might have
something quite powerful.
Steven Clift
E-Democracy.Org
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From:
David Wilcox
Date:
Feb 19 11:46 UTC
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Thanks Steven and Stephen or highlighting this.
I've followed up with this piece
http://www.designingforcivilsociety.org/2008/02/bbc-plans-to-su.html
Here's a story about how the BBC is developing new local multi-media
services, its Charter remit for "sustaining citizenship and civil
society", the closure of BBC Action network, development of citizen
(or networked) journalism, and how the BBC Trust consults us on what
the BBC is for. These developments and issues may be related ... I
don't know .... but I think we should be told. But by whom? Maybe on
the BBC Internet blog where they are exploring Digital Democracy.
My main point is that the BBC, or BBC Trust, should provide for some
means to engage with the rest of us about what they are planning in
this field. Anyone have more info?
Regards
David
On 18 Feb 2008, at 17:10, Stephen Coleman wrote:
> The BBC is dropping/has dropped the Action Network. It plans to do a
> number of other exciting things along these lines in the coming
> months. The Action network (previously iCan) was always meant to be
> an experiment. The BBC is right to learn from experiments and change
> course if that's what seems right.
> Stephen
>
> Stephen Coleman
> Professor of Political Communication and Co-Director, Centre for
> Digital Citizenship,
> Institute for Communications Studies,
> University of Leeds
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Steven Clift [mailto:]
> Sent: Mon 18-Feb-08 5:04 PM
> To:
> Subject: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
>
>
>
>
> Anyone have an update on the Action Network and how it might related
> to ...
>
>
> From:
> http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=40081&c=1
>
> Regional newspapers' fury at BBC local web plan
>
> 28 January 2008
>
> By Sarah Lagan, Jason Craig
>
> The BBC has prompted a new rift with the regional press by planning
> a network of 60 ultra-local websites.
>
> Previous plans for BBC ultra-local TV were dropped in October
> following a huge backlash from regional newspapers that feared the
> service would stifle their own multimedia online efforts.
>
> Now Press Gazette has learned that the BBC is planning a new network
> of websites, using the latest online localisation and mapping
> technology.
>
> Controller of BBC English Regions Andy Griffee told students at
> Coventry University that new service would involve text, audio and
> video news which could be navigated using a map of a specified region.
>
> ...
>
> The prototype BBC site covers news, sport, travel and weather with
> symbols providing users with the main means of navigating between
> sections.
>
> "E-democracy" will also enable people to research politicians and
> political parties via more interactive and informative means.
>
> Griffee said: "It is work in progress but I intend to go to the BBC
> Trust and seek its permission to launch it. Users can decide how
> local is important to them. It brings everything together in one
> place."
>
> User-generated content is understood to form a major part of the
> proposed new network - which could be narrowed down by the user to
> the level of a town.
>
From:
Stephen Coleman
Date:
Feb 19 12:32 UTC
Short link
I agree with you, David, that communication from the BBC about its
digital-democracy plans tends to be less than open or participatory.
There should be at least one member of the BBC Trust with a specific
remit to speak on this issue. As the UK Government has has had to learn
(slowly, slowly), exercises in inclusive, participatory democracy that
are conceived and managed in closed rooms tend not to be trusted. My own
sense is that the BBC is going to come up with some worthwhile ideas -
and is much better placed to do so than governments, national or local.
Stephen
Stephen Coleman
Professor of Political Communication and Co-Director, Centre for Digital
Citizenship,
Institute for Communications Studies,
University of Leeds
-----Original Message-----
From: David Wilcox [mailto:]
Sent: 19 February 2008 11:37
To:
Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
Thanks Steven and Stephen or highlighting this.
I've followed up with this piece
http://www.designingforcivilsociety.org/2008/02/bbc-plans-to-su.html
Here's a story about how the BBC is developing new local multi-media
services, its Charter remit for "sustaining citizenship and civil
society", the closure of BBC Action network, development of citizen
(or networked) journalism, and how the BBC Trust consults us on what
the BBC is for. These developments and issues may be related ... I
don't know .... but I think we should be told. But by whom? Maybe on
the BBC Internet blog where they are exploring Digital Democracy.
My main point is that the BBC, or BBC Trust, should provide for some
means to engage with the rest of us about what they are planning in
this field. Anyone have more info?
Regards
David
On 18 Feb 2008, at 17:10, Stephen Coleman wrote:
> The BBC is dropping/has dropped the Action Network. It plans to do a
> number of other exciting things along these lines in the coming
> months. The Action network (previously iCan) was always meant to be
> an experiment. The BBC is right to learn from experiments and change
> course if that's what seems right.
> Stephen
>
> Stephen Coleman
> Professor of Political Communication and Co-Director, Centre for
> Digital Citizenship,
> Institute for Communications Studies,
> University of Leeds
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Steven Clift [mailto:]
> Sent: Mon 18-Feb-08 5:04 PM
> To:
> Subject: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
>
>
>
>
> Anyone have an update on the Action Network and how it might related
> to ...
>
>
> From:
>
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=40081&c=
1
>
> Regional newspapers' fury at BBC local web plan
>
> 28 January 2008
>
> By Sarah Lagan, Jason Craig
>
> The BBC has prompted a new rift with the regional press by planning
> a network of 60 ultra-local websites.
>
> Previous plans for BBC ultra-local TV were dropped in October
> following a huge backlash from regional newspapers that feared the
> service would stifle their own multimedia online efforts.
>
> Now Press Gazette has learned that the BBC is planning a new network
> of websites, using the latest online localisation and mapping
> technology.
>
> Controller of BBC English Regions Andy Griffee told students at
> Coventry University that new service would involve text, audio and
> video news which could be navigated using a map of a specified region.
>
> ...
>
> The prototype BBC site covers news, sport, travel and weather with
> symbols providing users with the main means of navigating between
> sections.
>
> "E-democracy" will also enable people to research politicians and
> political parties via more interactive and informative means.
>
> Griffee said: "It is work in progress but I intend to go to the BBC
> Trust and seek its permission to launch it. Users can decide how
> local is important to them. It brings everything together in one
> place."
>
> User-generated content is understood to form a major part of the
> proposed new network - which could be narrowed down by the user to
> the level of a town.
>
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From:
alex stobart
Date:
Feb 19 18:57 UTC
Short link
David
There is a lady who blogs here
http://lizziejackson.com/about/
It says on her " about Lizzie " page
Lizzie set up and managed the BBC’s online community between 1997-2002,
creating the management and training systems, leading a team of 22 producers
and assistant producers and overseeing the devolution of the online
community management to the production Divisions in 2002. She was
responsible for the BBC’s Internet safety initiatives from 2003-2007,
assisting BBC Children’s with the facilitation of their online communities
and user-generated content and the development of editorial policy in that
area
Perhaps whoever is really interested in the subject should comment on her
blog, or ask if she knows current BBC policy makers ?
Regards
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Wilcox" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
> Thanks Steven and Stephen or highlighting this.
>
> I've followed up with this piece
> http://www.designingforcivilsociety.org/2008/02/bbc-plans-to-su.html
>
> Here's a story about how the BBC is developing new local multi-media
> services, its Charter remit for "sustaining citizenship and civil
> society", the closure of BBC Action network, development of citizen
> (or networked) journalism, and how the BBC Trust consults us on what
> the BBC is for. These developments and issues may be related ... I
> don't know .... but I think we should be told. But by whom? Maybe on
> the BBC Internet blog where they are exploring Digital Democracy.
>
> My main point is that the BBC, or BBC Trust, should provide for some
> means to engage with the rest of us about what they are planning in
> this field. Anyone have more info?
>
> Regards
> David
>
>
> On 18 Feb 2008, at 17:10, Stephen Coleman wrote:
>
>> The BBC is dropping/has dropped the Action Network. It plans to do a
>> number of other exciting things along these lines in the coming
>> months. The Action network (previously iCan) was always meant to be
>> an experiment. The BBC is right to learn from experiments and change
>> course if that's what seems right.
>> Stephen
>>
>> Stephen Coleman
>> Professor of Political Communication and Co-Director, Centre for
>> Digital Citizenship,
>> Institute for Communications Studies,
>> University of Leeds
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: Steven Clift [mailto:]
>> Sent: Mon 18-Feb-08 5:04 PM
>> To:
>> Subject: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone have an update on the Action Network and how it might related
>> to ...
>>
>>
>> From:
>> http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=40081&c=1
>>
>> Regional newspapers' fury at BBC local web plan
>>
>> 28 January 2008
>>
>> By Sarah Lagan, Jason Craig
>>
>> The BBC has prompted a new rift with the regional press by planning
>> a network of 60 ultra-local websites.
>>
>> Previous plans for BBC ultra-local TV were dropped in October
>> following a huge backlash from regional newspapers that feared the
>> service would stifle their own multimedia online efforts.
>>
>> Now Press Gazette has learned that the BBC is planning a new network
>> of websites, using the latest online localisation and mapping
>> technology.
>>
>> Controller of BBC English Regions Andy Griffee told students at
>> Coventry University that new service would involve text, audio and
>> video news which could be navigated using a map of a specified region.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> The prototype BBC site covers news, sport, travel and weather with
>> symbols providing users with the main means of navigating between
>> sections.
>>
>> "E-democracy" will also enable people to research politicians and
>> political parties via more interactive and informative means.
>>
>> Griffee said: "It is work in progress but I intend to go to the BBC
>> Trust and seek its permission to launch it. Users can decide how
>> local is important to them. It brings everything together in one
>> place."
>>
>> User-generated content is understood to form a major part of the
>> proposed new network - which could be narrowed down by the user to
>> the level of a town.
>>
>
>
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From:
Jill Sanders
Date:
Feb 20 07:47 UTC
Short link
Why doesn't the BBC look at what we do at www.oncom.org.uk because this
could easily be country-wide, across every community? The great thing is
that it groups what the government likes to call "natural communities" into
boroughs, the democratic and to a certain extent the geographical local
context, plus communities can have their own interest groups too, to suit
themselves and the area where they live. It is iinfinitely adaptable as a
model and we know it works as it's grown, ground up and organically, over
ten years. There is certainly nothing centralised or top down about it and
the sheer numbers of people contributing the the websites in the network
keep it independent.
Best wishes
Jill
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Wilcox" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
Thanks Steven and Stephen or highlighting this.
I've followed up with this piece
http://www.designingforcivilsociety.org/2008/02/bbc-plans-to-su.html
Here's a story about how the BBC is developing new local multi-media
services, its Charter remit for "sustaining citizenship and civil
society", the closure of BBC Action network, development of citizen
(or networked) journalism, and how the BBC Trust consults us on what
the BBC is for. These developments and issues may be related ... I
don't know .... but I think we should be told. But by whom? Maybe on
the BBC Internet blog where they are exploring Digital Democracy.
My main point is that the BBC, or BBC Trust, should provide for some
means to engage with the rest of us about what they are planning in
this field. Anyone have more info?
Regards
David
On 18 Feb 2008, at 17:10, Stephen Coleman wrote:
> The BBC is dropping/has dropped the Action Network. It plans to do a
> number of other exciting things along these lines in the coming
> months. The Action network (previously iCan) was always meant to be
> an experiment. The BBC is right to learn from experiments and change
> course if that's what seems right.
> Stephen
>
> Stephen Coleman
> Professor of Political Communication and Co-Director, Centre for
> Digital Citizenship,
> Institute for Communications Studies,
> University of Leeds
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Steven Clift [mailto:]
> Sent: Mon 18-Feb-08 5:04 PM
> To:
> Subject: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
>
>
>
>
> Anyone have an update on the Action Network and how it might related
> to ...
>
>
> From:
> http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=40081&c=1
>
> Regional newspapers' fury at BBC local web plan
>
> 28 January 2008
>
> By Sarah Lagan, Jason Craig
>
> The BBC has prompted a new rift with the regional press by planning
> a network of 60 ultra-local websites.
>
> Previous plans for BBC ultra-local TV were dropped in October
> following a huge backlash from regional newspapers that feared the
> service would stifle their own multimedia online efforts.
>
> Now Press Gazette has learned that the BBC is planning a new network
> of websites, using the latest online localisation and mapping
> technology.
>
> Controller of BBC English Regions Andy Griffee told students at
> Coventry University that new service would involve text, audio and
> video news which could be navigated using a map of a specified region.
>
> ...
>
> The prototype BBC site covers news, sport, travel and weather with
> symbols providing users with the main means of navigating between
> sections.
>
> "E-democracy" will also enable people to research politicians and
> political parties via more interactive and informative means.
>
> Griffee said: "It is work in progress but I intend to go to the BBC
> Trust and seek its permission to launch it. Users can decide how
> local is important to them. It brings everything together in one
> place."
>
> User-generated content is understood to form a major part of the
> proposed new network - which could be narrowed down by the user to
> the level of a town.
>
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From:
David Wilcox
Date:
Feb 20 10:39 UTC
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Alex - thanks, and yes I know Lizzie well. She worked with me on the
BBC Trust blogging project
http://www.designingforcivilsociety.org/2007/10/reaching-out--1.html
... and is a stalwart of the emint online community managers list
(which is worth joining)
http://www.emint.org.uk/
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/e-mint/
Probably the best place to comment on BBC plans (as well as my blog of
course:-) is the BBC Internet blog
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/02/digital_democracy.html
... and for anyone who has a blog to do their own piece, adding a
del.icio.us tag of bbccouk. It will then show up in the sidebar of the
BBC Internet blog (as mine did)
Anyone got other ideas about how to create more of a public discussion
of this topic? I know from private emails that the analysis in my
original post is correct.
Here's the link for anyone who missed it
http://www.designingforcivilsociety.org/2008/02/bbc-plans-to-su.html
The key issue as I see it: how to get the BBC and BBC Trust to have a
serious consultation/engagement on their plans to support local
democracy and community action. The event in Coventry was shown a well-
developed prototype. It may be great - but shouldn't we see it?
David
On 19 Feb 2008, at 18:57, Alex Stobart wrote:
> David
>
> There is a lady who blogs here
>
> http://lizziejackson.com/about/
>
> It says on her " about Lizzie " page
>
> Lizzie set up and managed the BBC’s online community between
> 1997-2002,
> creating the management and training systems, leading a team of 22
> producers
> and assistant producers and overseeing the devolution of the online
> community management to the production Divisions in 2002. She was
> responsible for the BBC’s Internet safety initiatives from 2003-2007,
> assisting BBC Children’s with the facilitation of their online
> communities
> and user-generated content and the development of editorial policy
> in that
> area
>
> Perhaps whoever is really interested in the subject should comment
> on her
> blog, or ask if she knows current BBC policy makers ?
>
> Regards
>
> Alex
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Wilcox" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
>
>
>> Thanks Steven and Stephen or highlighting this.
>>
>> I've followed up with this piece
>> http://www.designingforcivilsociety.org/2008/02/bbc-plans-to-su.html
>>
>> Here's a story about how the BBC is developing new local multi-media
>> services, its Charter remit for "sustaining citizenship and civil
>> society", the closure of BBC Action network, development of citizen
>> (or networked) journalism, and how the BBC Trust consults us on what
>> the BBC is for. These developments and issues may be related ... I
>> don't know .... but I think we should be told. But by whom? Maybe on
>> the BBC Internet blog where they are exploring Digital Democracy.
>>
>> My main point is that the BBC, or BBC Trust, should provide for some
>> means to engage with the rest of us about what they are planning in
>> this field. Anyone have more info?
>>
>> Regards
>> David
>>
>>
>> On 18 Feb 2008, at 17:10, Stephen Coleman wrote:
>>
>>> The BBC is dropping/has dropped the Action Network. It plans to do a
>>> number of other exciting things along these lines in the coming
>>> months. The Action network (previously iCan) was always meant to be
>>> an experiment. The BBC is right to learn from experiments and change
>>> course if that's what seems right.
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>> Stephen Coleman
>>> Professor of Political Communication and Co-Director, Centre for
>>> Digital Citizenship,
>>> Institute for Communications Studies,
>>> University of Leeds
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: Steven Clift [mailto:]
>>> Sent: Mon 18-Feb-08 5:04 PM
>>> To:
>>> Subject: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone have an update on the Action Network and how it might related
>>> to ...
>>>
>>>
>>> From:
>>> http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=40081&c=1
>>>
>>> Regional newspapers' fury at BBC local web plan
>>>
>>> 28 January 2008
>>>
>>> By Sarah Lagan, Jason Craig
>>>
>>> The BBC has prompted a new rift with the regional press by planning
>>> a network of 60 ultra-local websites.
>>>
>>> Previous plans for BBC ultra-local TV were dropped in October
>>> following a huge backlash from regional newspapers that feared the
>>> service would stifle their own multimedia online efforts.
>>>
>>> Now Press Gazette has learned that the BBC is planning a new network
>>> of websites, using the latest online localisation and mapping
>>> technology.
>>>
>>> Controller of BBC English Regions Andy Griffee told students at
>>> Coventry University that new service would involve text, audio and
>>> video news which could be navigated using a map of a specified
>>> region.
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> The prototype BBC site covers news, sport, travel and weather with
>>> symbols providing users with the main means of navigating between
>>> sections.
>>>
>>> "E-democracy" will also enable people to research politicians and
>>> political parties via more interactive and informative means.
>>>
>>> Griffee said: "It is work in progress but I intend to go to the BBC
>>> Trust and seek its permission to launch it. Users can decide how
>>> local is important to them. It brings everything together in one
>>> place."
>>>
>>> User-generated content is understood to form a major part of the
>>> proposed new network - which could be narrowed down by the user to
>>> the level of a town.
>>>
>>
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From:
David Wilcox
Date:
Feb 20 11:46 UTC
Short link
Jill - I think you are absolutely right, and the BBC should help
support and join up local initiatives, not potentially shadow them out
with a portal approach.
Nick Reynolds, editor of he BBC Internet blog, has now joined in, and
I've pointed him at oncom over here (see comments)
http://www.designingforcivilsociety.org/2008/02/bbc-plans-to-su.html
David
On 20 Feb 2008, at 07:40, Jill Sanders wrote:
> Why doesn't the BBC look at what we do at www.oncom.org.uk because
> this
> could easily be country-wide, across every community? The great
> thing is
> that it groups what the government likes to call "natural
> communities" into
> boroughs, the democratic and to a certain extent the geographical
> local
> context, plus communities can have their own interest groups too, to
> suit
> themselves and the area where they live. It is iinfinitely
> adaptable as a
> model and we know it works as it's grown, ground up and organically,
> over
> ten years. There is certainly nothing centralised or top down about
> it and
> the sheer numbers of people contributing the the websites in the
> network
> keep it independent.
> Best wishes
> Jill
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Wilcox" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
>
>
> Thanks Steven and Stephen or highlighting this.
>
> I've followed up with this piece
> http://www.designingforcivilsociety.org/2008/02/bbc-plans-to-su.html
>
> Here's a story about how the BBC is developing new local multi-media
> services, its Charter remit for "sustaining citizenship and civil
> society", the closure of BBC Action network, development of citizen
> (or networked) journalism, and how the BBC Trust consults us on what
> the BBC is for. These developments and issues may be related ... I
> don't know .... but I think we should be told. But by whom? Maybe on
> the BBC Internet blog where they are exploring Digital Democracy.
>
> My main point is that the BBC, or BBC Trust, should provide for some
> means to engage with the rest of us about what they are planning in
> this field. Anyone have more info?
>
> Regards
> David
>
>
> On 18 Feb 2008, at 17:10, Stephen Coleman wrote:
>
>> The BBC is dropping/has dropped the Action Network. It plans to do a
>> number of other exciting things along these lines in the coming
>> months. The Action network (previously iCan) was always meant to be
>> an experiment. The BBC is right to learn from experiments and change
>> course if that's what seems right.
>> Stephen
>>
>> Stephen Coleman
>> Professor of Political Communication and Co-Director, Centre for
>> Digital Citizenship,
>> Institute for Communications Studies,
>> University of Leeds
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: Steven Clift [mailto:]
>> Sent: Mon 18-Feb-08 5:04 PM
>> To:
>> Subject: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone have an update on the Action Network and how it might related
>> to ...
>>
>>
>> From:
>> http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=40081&c=1
>>
>> Regional newspapers' fury at BBC local web plan
>>
>> 28 January 2008
>>
>> By Sarah Lagan, Jason Craig
>>
>> The BBC has prompted a new rift with the regional press by planning
>> a network of 60 ultra-local websites.
>>
>> Previous plans for BBC ultra-local TV were dropped in October
>> following a huge backlash from regional newspapers that feared the
>> service would stifle their own multimedia online efforts.
>>
>> Now Press Gazette has learned that the BBC is planning a new network
>> of websites, using the latest online localisation and mapping
>> technology.
>>
>> Controller of BBC English Regions Andy Griffee told students at
>> Coventry University that new service would involve text, audio and
>> video news which could be navigated using a map of a specified
>> region.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> The prototype BBC site covers news, sport, travel and weather with
>> symbols providing users with the main means of navigating between
>> sections.
>>
>> "E-democracy" will also enable people to research politicians and
>> political parties via more interactive and informative means.
>>
>> Griffee said: "It is work in progress but I intend to go to the BBC
>> Trust and seek its permission to launch it. Users can decide how
>> local is important to them. It brings everything together in one
>> place."
>>
>> User-generated content is understood to form a major part of the
>> proposed new network - which could be narrowed down by the user to
>> the level of a town.
>>
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From:
Taffd
Date:
Feb 20 12:43 UTC
Short link
Hi Jill,
Just took a look at oncom.org. Very good.
You suggest that a similar site could easily be country wide.
It already is. In fact it is worldwide. It is www.myverdict.net
Best of luck with oncom.
Roy Daine
Jill Sanders <> wrote:
Why doesn't the BBC look at what we do at www.oncom.org.uk because this
could easily be country-wide, across every community? The great thing is
that it groups what the government likes to call "natural communities" into
boroughs, the democratic and to a certain extent the geographical local
context, plus communities can have their own interest groups too, to suit
themselves and the area where they live. It is iinfinitely adaptable as a
model and we know it works as it's grown, ground up and organically, over
ten years. There is certainly nothing centralised or top down about it and
the sheer numbers of people contributing the the websites in the network
keep it independent.
Best wishes
Jill
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Wilcox"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
Thanks Steven and Stephen or highlighting this.
I've followed up with this piece
http://www.designingforcivilsociety.org/2008/02/bbc-plans-to-su.html
Here's a story about how the BBC is developing new local multi-media
services, its Charter remit for "sustaining citizenship and civil
society", the closure of BBC Action network, development of citizen
(or networked) journalism, and how the BBC Trust consults us on what
the BBC is for. These developments and issues may be related ... I
don't know .... but I think we should be told. But by whom? Maybe on
the BBC Internet blog where they are exploring Digital Democracy.
My main point is that the BBC, or BBC Trust, should provide for some
means to engage with the rest of us about what they are planning in
this field. Anyone have more info?
Regards
David
On 18 Feb 2008, at 17:10, Stephen Coleman wrote:
> The BBC is dropping/has dropped the Action Network. It plans to do a
> number of other exciting things along these lines in the coming
> months. The Action network (previously iCan) was always meant to be
> an experiment. The BBC is right to learn from experiments and change
> course if that's what seems right.
> Stephen
>
> Stephen Coleman
> Professor of Political Communication and Co-Director, Centre for
> Digital Citizenship,
> Institute for Communications Studies,
> University of Leeds
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Steven Clift [mailto:]
> Sent: Mon 18-Feb-08 5:04 PM
> To:
> Subject: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
>
>
>
>
> Anyone have an update on the Action Network and how it might related
> to ...
>
>
> From:
> http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=40081&c=1
>
> Regional newspapers' fury at BBC local web plan
>
> 28 January 2008
>
> By Sarah Lagan, Jason Craig
>
> The BBC has prompted a new rift with the regional press by planning
> a network of 60 ultra-local websites.
>
> Previous plans for BBC ultra-local TV were dropped in October
> following a huge backlash from regional newspapers that feared the
> service would stifle their own multimedia online efforts.
>
> Now Press Gazette has learned that the BBC is planning a new network
> of websites, using the latest online localisation and mapping
> technology.
>
> Controller of BBC English Regions Andy Griffee told students at
> Coventry University that new service would involve text, audio and
> video news which could be navigated using a map of a specified region.
>
> ...
>
> The prototype BBC site covers news, sport, travel and weather with
> symbols providing users with the main means of navigating between
> sections.
>
> "E-democracy" will also enable people to research politicians and
> political parties via more interactive and informative means.
>
> Griffee said: "It is work in progress but I intend to go to the BBC
> Trust and seek its permission to launch it. Users can decide how
> local is important to them. It brings everything together in one
> place."
>
> User-generated content is understood to form a major part of the
> proposed new network - which could be narrowed down by the user to
> the level of a town.
>
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From:
Tom Steinberg
Date:
Feb 20 17:06 UTC
Short link
Hi All,
Just to say that I was at a BBC meeting on this a couple of days ago.
I've let them know that this thread and community exists, and that
they should be reaching out here.
I didn't hear anyone talking about the ultra local sites though, so I
guess they're probably happening in some other part of the Beast.
best,
Tom
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Stephen Coleman <>
wrote:
> I agree with you, David, that communication from the BBC about its
> digital-democracy plans tends to be less than open or participatory.
> There should be at least one member of the BBC Trust with a specific
> remit to speak on this issue. As the UK Government has has had to learn
> (slowly, slowly), exercises in inclusive, participatory democracy that
> are conceived and managed in closed rooms tend not to be trusted. My own
> sense is that the BBC is going to come up with some worthwhile ideas -
> and is much better placed to do so than governments, national or local.
>
> Stephen
>
> Stephen Coleman
> Professor of Political Communication and Co-Director, Centre for Digital
> Citizenship,
> Institute for Communications Studies,
> University of Leeds
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Wilcox [mailto:]
> Sent: 19 February 2008 11:37
> To:
>
>
> Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
>
> Thanks Steven and Stephen or highlighting this.
>
> I've followed up with this piece
> http://www.designingforcivilsociety.org/2008/02/bbc-plans-to-su.html
>
> Here's a story about how the BBC is developing new local multi-media
> services, its Charter remit for "sustaining citizenship and civil
> society", the closure of BBC Action network, development of citizen
> (or networked) journalism, and how the BBC Trust consults us on what
> the BBC is for. These developments and issues may be related ... I
> don't know .... but I think we should be told. But by whom? Maybe on
> the BBC Internet blog where they are exploring Digital Democracy.
>
> My main point is that the BBC, or BBC Trust, should provide for some
> means to engage with the rest of us about what they are planning in
> this field. Anyone have more info?
>
> Regards
> David
>
>
> On 18 Feb 2008, at 17:10, Stephen Coleman wrote:
>
> > The BBC is dropping/has dropped the Action Network. It plans to do a
> > number of other exciting things along these lines in the coming
> > months. The Action network (previously iCan) was always meant to be
> > an experiment. The BBC is right to learn from experiments and change
> > course if that's what seems right.
> > Stephen
> >
> > Stephen Coleman
> > Professor of Political Communication and Co-Director, Centre for
> > Digital Citizenship,
> > Institute for Communications Studies,
> > University of Leeds
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: Steven Clift [mailto:]
> > Sent: Mon 18-Feb-08 5:04 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone have an update on the Action Network and how it might related
> > to ...
> >
> >
> > From:
> >
> http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=40081&c=
> 1
> >
> > Regional newspapers' fury at BBC local web plan
> >
> > 28 January 2008
> >
> > By Sarah Lagan, Jason Craig
> >
> > The BBC has prompted a new rift with the regional press by planning
> > a network of 60 ultra-local websites.
> >
> > Previous plans for BBC ultra-local TV were dropped in October
> > following a huge backlash from regional newspapers that feared the
> > service would stifle their own multimedia online efforts.
> >
> > Now Press Gazette has learned that the BBC is planning a new network
> > of websites, using the latest online localisation and mapping
> > technology.
> >
> > Controller of BBC English Regions Andy Griffee told students at
> > Coventry University that new service would involve text, audio and
> > video news which could be navigated using a map of a specified region.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > The prototype BBC site covers news, sport, travel and weather with
> > symbols providing users with the main means of navigating between
> > sections.
> >
> > "E-democracy" will also enable people to research politicians and
> > political parties via more interactive and informative means.
> >
> > Griffee said: "It is work in progress but I intend to go to the BBC
> > Trust and seek its permission to launch it. Users can decide how
> > local is important to them. It brings everything together in one
> > place."
> >
> > User-generated content is understood to form a major part of the
> > proposed new network - which could be narrowed down by the user to
> > the level of a town.
> >
>
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From:
Jill Sanders
Date:
Feb 20 20:48 UTC
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A Big Idea, but not exactly local, though, not as I understand it from our
network. Not enough detail! It's all hard work, is it not. We started
where we live and rolled oncom out across the borough (and beyond
potentially). I miss photos - we find them essential for features, colour,
interest, telling it, etc.
----- Original Message -----
From: "ROY DAINE" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
Hi Jill,
Just took a look at oncom.org. Very good.
You suggest that a similar site could easily be country wide.
It already is. In fact it is worldwide. It is www.myverdict.net
Best of luck with oncom.
Roy Daine
Jill Sanders <> wrote:
Why doesn't the BBC look at what we do at www.oncom.org.uk because this
could easily be country-wide, across every community? The great thing is
that it groups what the government likes to call "natural communities" into
boroughs, the democratic and to a certain extent the geographical local
context, plus communities can have their own interest groups too, to suit
themselves and the area where they live. It is iinfinitely adaptable as a
model and we know it works as it's grown, ground up and organically, over
ten years. There is certainly nothing centralised or top down about it and
the sheer numbers of people contributing the the websites in the network
keep it independent.
Best wishes
Jill
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Wilcox"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
Thanks Steven and Stephen or highlighting this.
I've followed up with this piece
http://www.designingforcivilsociety.org/2008/02/bbc-plans-to-su.html
Here's a story about how the BBC is developing new local multi-media
services, its Charter remit for "sustaining citizenship and civil
society", the closure of BBC Action network, development of citizen
(or networked) journalism, and how the BBC Trust consults us on what
the BBC is for. These developments and issues may be related ... I
don't know .... but I think we should be told. But by whom? Maybe on
the BBC Internet blog where they are exploring Digital Democracy.
My main point is that the BBC, or BBC Trust, should provide for some
means to engage with the rest of us about what they are planning in
this field. Anyone have more info?
Regards
David
On 18 Feb 2008, at 17:10, Stephen Coleman wrote:
> The BBC is dropping/has dropped the Action Network. It plans to do a
> number of other exciting things along these lines in the coming
> months. The Action network (previously iCan) was always meant to be
> an experiment. The BBC is right to learn from experiments and change
> course if that's what seems right.
> Stephen
>
> Stephen Coleman
> Professor of Political Communication and Co-Director, Centre for
> Digital Citizenship,
> Institute for Communications Studies,
> University of Leeds
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Steven Clift [mailto:]
> Sent: Mon 18-Feb-08 5:04 PM
> To:
> Subject: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
>
>
>
>
> Anyone have an update on the Action Network and how it might related
> to ...
>
>
> From:
> http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=40081&c=1
>
> Regional newspapers' fury at BBC local web plan
>
> 28 January 2008
>
> By Sarah Lagan, Jason Craig
>
> The BBC has prompted a new rift with the regional press by planning
> a network of 60 ultra-local websites.
>
> Previous plans for BBC ultra-local TV were dropped in October
> following a huge backlash from regional newspapers that feared the
> service would stifle their own multimedia online efforts.
>
> Now Press Gazette has learned that the BBC is planning a new network
> of websites, using the latest online localisation and mapping
> technology.
>
> Controller of BBC English Regions Andy Griffee told students at
> Coventry University that new service would involve text, audio and
> video news which could be navigated using a map of a specified region.
>
> ...
>
> The prototype BBC site covers news, sport, travel and weather with
> symbols providing users with the main means of navigating between
> sections.
>
> "E-democracy" will also enable people to research politicians and
> political parties via more interactive and informative means.
>
> Griffee said: "It is work in progress but I intend to go to the BBC
> Trust and seek its permission to launch it. Users can decide how
> local is important to them. It brings everything together in one
> place."
>
> User-generated content is understood to form a major part of the
> proposed new network - which could be narrowed down by the user to
> the level of a town.
>
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Date:
Feb 20 23:51 UTC
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I'll have to disagree with Jill I'm afraid, although I think oncom looks
incredibly professional, and also with Roy since although he hits the
government structure, it replicates what people are doing anyway.
Once one gets away from the London conurbation and hits rural England a
different type of problem arises - if the skills are available and
enough people will look at it, a web site will appear but there are many
types of community - communities of interest etc and no-one knows what
these are nationally - the BBC has done some work, some other media
companies have too but there is no national model that is particularly
scaleable, yet.
Working as a local government IT manager I have offered to provide the
117 parishes within our district with sites but they don't want or won't
maintain them - they probably have enough trouble getting councillors!
Try doing it on communities of interest and the same issue will arise.
We put discussion forums on the district council web site (internally
and externally) and no usage. We offer the councillors web sites or blog
and little take up.
Some local communities do well and have the focused energy or campaign
needs. When young people want something they remanage Youtube or
something their friends will look at.
Its horses for courses and we'll have a ragbag of solutions for a long
time to come!
Mick Phythian
ICT Manager, Yorkshire & E-government researcher CCSR, DMU Leicester
-----Original Message-----
From: Jill Sanders [mailto:]
Sent: 20 February 2008 20:48
To:
Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
A Big Idea, but not exactly local, though, not as I understand it from
our
network. Not enough detail! It's all hard work, is it not. We started
where we live and rolled oncom out across the borough (and beyond
potentially). I miss photos - we find them essential for features,
colour,
interest, telling it, etc.
----- Original Message -----
From: "ROY DAINE" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
Hi Jill,
Just took a look at oncom.org. Very good.
You suggest that a similar site could easily be country wide.
It already is. In fact it is worldwide. It is www.myverdict.net
Best of luck with oncom.
Roy Daine
Jill Sanders <> wrote:
Why doesn't the BBC look at what we do at www.oncom.org.uk because
this could easily be country-wide, across every community? The great
thing is that it groups what the government likes to call "natural
communities" into boroughs, the democratic and to a certain extent the
geographical local context, plus communities can have their own interest
groups too, to suit themselves and the area where they live. It is
iinfinitely adaptable as a model and we know it works as it's grown,
ground up and organically, over ten years. There is certainly nothing
centralised or top down about it and the sheer numbers of people
contributing the the websites in the network keep it independent. Best
wishes Jill
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Wilcox"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
Thanks Steven and Stephen or highlighting this.
I've followed up with this piece
http://www.designingforcivilsociety.org/2008/02/bbc-plans-to-su.html
Here's a story about how the BBC is developing new local multi-media
services, its Charter remit for "sustaining citizenship and civil
society", the closure of BBC Action network, development of citizen (or
networked) journalism, and how the BBC Trust consults us on what the BBC
is for. These developments and issues may be related ... I don't know
.... but I think we should be told. But by whom? Maybe on the BBC
Internet blog where they are exploring Digital Democracy.
My main point is that the BBC, or BBC Trust, should provide for some
means to engage with the rest of us about what they are planning in this
field. Anyone have more info?
Regards
David
On 18 Feb 2008, at 17:10, Stephen Coleman wrote:
> The BBC is dropping/has dropped the Action Network. It plans to do a
> number of other exciting things along these lines in the coming
> months. The Action network (previously iCan) was always meant to be an
> experiment. The BBC is right to learn from experiments and change
> course if that's what seems right. Stephen
>
> Stephen Coleman
> Professor of Political Communication and Co-Director, Centre for
> Digital Citizenship, Institute for Communications Studies,
> University of Leeds
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Steven Clift [mailto:]
> Sent: Mon 18-Feb-08 5:04 PM
> To:
> Subject: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
>
>
>
>
> Anyone have an update on the Action Network and how it might related
> to ...
>
>
> From:
> http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=40081&
> c=1
>
> Regional newspapers' fury at BBC local web plan
>
> 28 January 2008
>
> By Sarah Lagan, Jason Craig
>
> The BBC has prompted a new rift with the regional press by planning a
> network of 60 ultra-local websites.
>
> Previous plans for BBC ultra-local TV were dropped in October
> following a huge backlash from regional newspapers that feared the
> service would stifle their own multimedia online efforts.
>
> Now Press Gazette has learned that the BBC is planning a new network
> of websites, using the latest online localisation and mapping
> technology.
>
> Controller of BBC English Regions Andy Griffee told students at
> Coventry University that new service would involve text, audio and
> video news which could be navigated using a map of a specified region.
>
> ...
>
> The prototype BBC site covers news, sport, travel and weather with
> symbols providing users with the main means of navigating between
> sections.
>
> "E-democracy" will also enable people to research politicians and
> political parties via more interactive and informative means.
>
> Griffee said: "It is work in progress but I intend to go to the BBC
> Trust and seek its permission to launch it. Users can decide how local
> is important to them. It brings everything together in one place."
>
> User-generated content is understood to form a major part of the
> proposed new network - which could be narrowed down by the user to the
> level of a town.
>
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From:
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Date:
Feb 21 10:04 UTC
Short link
Mick's findings match up with what we found. You can't impose a
technology on people. Local websites develop because of people with
passion and energy as I think Oncom is an example. VentnorBlog,
TalkSwindon, TalkClacton (what was wrong with ClactonChat???),
IssuesForum Mn are others. They are all sucessful community web
discussion sites and not one shares technology with another. They all
share one thing in common - an individual (or small group of
individuals) who have taken it upon themselves to start a community forum.
And the Govt involvement?
Oncom - not the greatest relationship
VentnorBlog - none
TalkSwindon - some cllrs are members and they have hosted a consultation
but no formal relationship
TalkClacton - hosted by the local MP
Issues Forum - none AFAIK
Shane
Shane McCracken
Director
Gallomanor Communications Ltd/
Mick Phythian wrote:
> I'll have to disagree with Jill I'm afraid, although I think oncom looks
> incredibly professional, and also with Roy since although he hits the
> government structure, it replicates what people are doing anyway.
>
> Once one gets away from the London conurbation and hits rural England a
> different type of problem arises - if the skills are available and
> enough people will look at it, a web site will appear but there are many
> types of community - communities of interest etc and no-one knows what
> these are nationally - the BBC has done some work, some other media
> companies have too but there is no national model that is particularly
> scaleable, yet.
>
> Working as a local government IT manager I have offered to provide the
> 117 parishes within our district with sites but they don't want or won't
> maintain them - they probably have enough trouble getting councillors!
> Try doing it on communities of interest and the same issue will arise.
> We put discussion forums on the district council web site (internally
> and externally) and no usage. We offer the councillors web sites or blog
> and little take up.
>
> Some local communities do well and have the focused energy or campaign
> needs. When young people want something they remanage Youtube or
> something their friends will look at.
>
> Its horses for courses and we'll have a ragbag of solutions for a long
> time to come!
>
> Mick Phythian
> ICT Manager, Yorkshire & E-government researcher CCSR, DMU Leicester
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jill Sanders [mailto:]
> Sent: 20 February 2008 20:48
> To:
> Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
>
>
> A Big Idea, but not exactly local, though, not as I understand it from
> our
> network. Not enough detail! It's all hard work, is it not. We started
> where we live and rolled oncom out across the borough (and beyond
> potentially). I miss photos - we find them essential for features,
> colour,
> interest, telling it, etc.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ROY DAINE" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
>
>
> Hi Jill,
>
> Just took a look at oncom.org. Very good.
>
> You suggest that a similar site could easily be country wide.
>
> It already is. In fact it is worldwide. It is www.myverdict.net
>
> Best of luck with oncom.
>
> Roy Daine
>
> Jill Sanders <> wrote:
> Why doesn't the BBC look at what we do at www.oncom.org.uk because
> this could easily be country-wide, across every community? The great
> thing is that it groups what the government likes to call "natural
> communities" into boroughs, the democratic and to a certain extent the
> geographical local context, plus communities can have their own interest
> groups too, to suit themselves and the area where they live. It is
> iinfinitely adaptable as a model and we know it works as it's grown,
> ground up and organically, over ten years. There is certainly nothing
> centralised or top down about it and the sheer numbers of people
> contributing the the websites in the network keep it independent. Best
> wishes Jill
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Wilcox"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
>
>
> Thanks Steven and Stephen or highlighting this.
>
> I've followed up with this piece
> http://www.designingforcivilsociety.org/2008/02/bbc-plans-to-su.html
>
> Here's a story about how the BBC is developing new local multi-media
> services, its Charter remit for "sustaining citizenship and civil
> society", the closure of BBC Action network, development of citizen (or
> networked) journalism, and how the BBC Trust consults us on what the BBC
> is for. These developments and issues may be related ... I don't know
> .... but I think we should be told. But by whom? Maybe on the BBC
> Internet blog where they are exploring Digital Democracy.
>
> My main point is that the BBC, or BBC Trust, should provide for some
> means to engage with the rest of us about what they are planning in this
> field. Anyone have more info?
>
> Regards
> David
>
>
> On 18 Feb 2008, at 17:10, Stephen Coleman wrote:
>
>
>> The BBC is dropping/has dropped the Action Network. It plans to do a
>> number of other exciting things along these lines in the coming
>> months. The Action network (previously iCan) was always meant to be an
>>
>
>
>> experiment. The BBC is right to learn from experiments and change
>> course if that's what seems right. Stephen
>>
>> Stephen Coleman
>> Professor of Political Communication and Co-Director, Centre for
>> Digital Citizenship, Institute for Communications Studies,
>> University of Leeds
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: Steven Clift [mailto:]
>> Sent: Mon 18-Feb-08 5:04 PM
>> To:
>> Subject: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone have an update on the Action Network and how it might related
>> to ...
>>
>>
>> From:
>> http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=40081&
>> c=1
>>
>> Regional newspapers' fury at BBC local web plan
>>
>> 28 January 2008
>>
>> By Sarah Lagan, Jason Craig
>>
>> The BBC has prompted a new rift with the regional press by planning a
>> network of 60 ultra-local websites.
>>
>> Previous plans for BBC ultra-local TV were dropped in October
>> following a huge backlash from regional newspapers that feared the
>> service would stifle their own multimedia online efforts.
>>
>> Now Press Gazette has learned that the BBC is planning a new network
>> of websites, using the latest online localisation and mapping
>> technology.
>>
>> Controller of BBC English Regions Andy Griffee told students at
>> Coventry University that new service would involve text, audio and
>> video news which could be navigated using a map of a specified region.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> The prototype BBC site covers news, sport, travel and weather with
>> symbols providing users with the main means of navigating between
>> sections.
>>
>> "E-democracy" will also enable people to research politicians and
>> political parties via more interactive and informative means.
>>
>> Griffee said: "It is work in progress but I intend to go to the BBC
>> Trust and seek its permission to launch it. Users can decide how local
>>
>
>
>> is important to them. It brings everything together in one place."
>>
>> User-generated content is understood to form a major part of the
>> proposed new network - which could be narrowed down by the user to the
>>
>
>
>> level of a town.
>>
>>
>
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From:
David Wilcox
Date:
Feb 21 10:43 UTC
Short link
Shane, Mick, all
If local community online initiatives are down to individuals or small
groups with a passion, and this will only happen bottom-up in a few
places, what might BBC (and other new media interests) do to help that
would not swamp the innovators and would help the rest?
David
On 21 Feb 2008, at 10:04, Shane McCracken wrote:
> Mick's findings match up with what we found. You can't impose a
> technology on people. Local websites develop because of people with
> passion and energy as I think Oncom is an example. VentnorBlog,
> TalkSwindon, TalkClacton (what was wrong with ClactonChat???),
> IssuesForum Mn are others. They are all sucessful community web
> discussion sites and not one shares technology with another. They all
> share one thing in common - an individual (or small group of
> individuals) who have taken it upon themselves to start a community
> forum.
>
> And the Govt involvement?
>
> Oncom - not the greatest relationship
> VentnorBlog - none
> TalkSwindon - some cllrs are members and they have hosted a
> consultation
> but no formal relationship
> TalkClacton - hosted by the local MP
> Issues Forum - none AFAIK
>
> Shane
>
> Shane McCracken
> Director
> Gallomanor Communications Ltd/
>
> Mick Phythian wrote:
>> I'll have to disagree with Jill I'm afraid, although I think oncom
>> looks
>> incredibly professional, and also with Roy since although he hits the
>> government structure, it replicates what people are doing anyway.
>>
>> Once one gets away from the London conurbation and hits rural
>> England a
>> different type of problem arises - if the skills are available and
>> enough people will look at it, a web site will appear but there are
>> many
>> types of community - communities of interest etc and no-one knows
>> what
>> these are nationally - the BBC has done some work, some other media
>> companies have too but there is no national model that is
>> particularly
>> scaleable, yet.
>>
>> Working as a local government IT manager I have offered to provide
>> the
>> 117 parishes within our district with sites but they don't want or
>> won't
>> maintain them - they probably have enough trouble getting
>> councillors!
>> Try doing it on communities of interest and the same issue will
>> arise.
>> We put discussion forums on the district council web site (internally
>> and externally) and no usage. We offer the councillors web sites or
>> blog
>> and little take up.
>>
>> Some local communities do well and have the focused energy or
>> campaign
>> needs. When young people want something they remanage Youtube or
>> something their friends will look at.
>>
>> Its horses for courses and we'll have a ragbag of solutions for a
>> long
>> time to come!
>>
>> Mick Phythian
>> ICT Manager, Yorkshire & E-government researcher CCSR, DMU Leicester
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jill Sanders [mailto:]
>> Sent: 20 February 2008 20:48
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
>>
>>
>> A Big Idea, but not exactly local, though, not as I understand it
>> from
>> our
>> network. Not enough detail! It's all hard work, is it not. We
>> started
>> where we live and rolled oncom out across the borough (and beyond
>> potentially). I miss photos - we find them essential for features,
>> colour,
>> interest, telling it, etc.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "ROY DAINE" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
>>
>>
>> Hi Jill,
>>
>> Just took a look at oncom.org. Very good.
>>
>> You suggest that a similar site could easily be country wide.
>>
>> It already is. In fact it is worldwide. It is www.myverdict.net
>>
>> Best of luck with oncom.
>>
>> Roy Daine
>>
>> Jill Sanders <> wrote:
>> Why doesn't the BBC look at what we do at www.oncom.org.uk because
>> this could easily be country-wide, across every community? The great
>> thing is that it groups what the government likes to call "natural
>> communities" into boroughs, the democratic and to a certain extent
>> the
>> geographical local context, plus communities can have their own
>> interest
>> groups too, to suit themselves and the area where they live. It is
>> iinfinitely adaptable as a model and we know it works as it's grown,
>> ground up and organically, over ten years. There is certainly nothing
>> centralised or top down about it and the sheer numbers of people
>> contributing the the websites in the network keep it independent.
>> Best
>> wishes Jill
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Wilcox"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
>>
>>
>> Thanks Steven and Stephen or highlighting this.
>>
>> I've followed up with this piece
>> http://www.designingforcivilsociety.org/2008/02/bbc-plans-to-su.html
>>
>> Here's a story about how the BBC is developing new local multi-media
>> services, its Charter remit for "sustaining citizenship and civil
>> society", the closure of BBC Action network, development of citizen
>> (or
>> networked) journalism, and how the BBC Trust consults us on what
>> the BBC
>> is for. These developments and issues may be related ... I don't know
>> .... but I think we should be told. But by whom? Maybe on the BBC
>> Internet blog where they are exploring Digital Democracy.
>>
>> My main point is that the BBC, or BBC Trust, should provide for some
>> means to engage with the rest of us about what they are planning in
>> this
>> field. Anyone have more info?
>>
>> Regards
>> David
>>
>>
>> On 18 Feb 2008, at 17:10, Stephen Coleman wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The BBC is dropping/has dropped the Action Network. It plans to do a
>>> number of other exciting things along these lines in the coming
>>> months. The Action network (previously iCan) was always meant to
>>> be an
>>>
>>
>>
>>> experiment. The BBC is right to learn from experiments and change
>>> course if that's what seems right. Stephen
>>>
>>> Stephen Coleman
>>> Professor of Political Communication and Co-Director, Centre for
>>> Digital Citizenship, Institute for Communications Studies,
>>> University of Leeds
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: Steven Clift [mailto:]
>>> Sent: Mon 18-Feb-08 5:04 PM
>>> To:
>>> Subject: [UKIE-EDem] BBC local online plans and e-democracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone have an update on the Action Network and how it might related
>>> to ...
>>>
>>>
>>> From:
>>> http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=40081&
>>> c=1
>>>
>>> Regional newspapers' fury at BBC local web plan
>>>
>>> 28 January 2008
>>>
>>> By Sarah Lagan, Jason Craig
>>>
>>> The BBC has prompted a new rift with the regional press by
>>> planning a
>>> network of 60 ultra-local websites.
>>>
>>> Previous plans for BBC ultra-local TV were dropped in October
>>> following a huge backlash from regional newspapers that feared the
>>> service would stifle their own multimedia online efforts.
>>>
>>> Now Press Gazette has learned that the BBC is planning a new netwo