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Craig Burton wrote: > This bears some resemblance to http://smartocracy.net/. It looks > interesting, I will try to look further. ... Yes, Smartocracy is an instance of cascade voting. I've referenced a report on it by Rodriguez et al., here: http://zelea.com/project/votorola/a/design.xht#Notes-and-References Pivato also describes a form of cascade voting (also referenced there). If you know of any others, Craig, please share. > ... Shortly we will build a > smartocracy for opensocial. Interesting! What will the application be? Will it be political? Can you enforce a single vote, per voter, in Google's OpenSocial? Or will OpenSocial be nothing but a user interface onto a separate electoral server? I've been thinking of a Web interface for Votorola. In fact, I'm inviting Web developers to code a variety of user interfaces for it. (We needn't tie ourselves to a particular interface provider, such as Google. In fact, that could be a liability for an electoral system.) > > Might anyone be interested in conducting some light research into > > cascade voting and open elections? I ask because I am not a scholar > > of political science (but a software practioner), ... An update: I've made some research headway on my own (or so I tell myself). My need no longer seems to be political science, but rather sociology (or maybe general social science). I've just posted some research questions to the NCDD list: http://lists.thataway.org/SCRIPTS/WA-THATAWAY.EXE?A2=ind0802C&L=NCDD-DISCUSSION&P=18816 Unfortunately, you must be registered in order to view NCDD posts. For anyone who isn't, here is a copy of the post (apologies to those who receive it twice), and my research questions:
In follow up, (apologies for the cross post) For any who are interested, I now have tentative answers to 7 and 9. If they stand up to critical examination, they complete the architecture (in outline) of a social medium of ambitious scope. (It ought to be an easy target for criticism. Please knock it down, if you see flaws. You will save us the trouble of coding it. :) The answers are part of a broader hypothesis that predicts the *disentanglement* of Lifeworld and System (theory of communicative action, TCA) and the consequent *rationalization* of the four subsystems of society. ======================= | | | | Economy | Polity | | | | | | | |=======================| | | | | Culture | Societal | | | Community | | | | ======================= http://zelea.com/project/votorola/a/design.xht#figure-10 Community (bottom right) will be re-positioned to the driver's seat of the political machine (top right). Community interests will then propel the machine on its course. Its destination will be expressed by culture (bottom left). The cultural sphere will be disentangled from the economic (top left), and subsequently hooked into the community. Collective cultural artifacts will then become the travelogues, the sign-posts, and the visions that fill blank spaces of the journey's map. (Disentanglement of community and polity was already hypothesized previously. It's what puts the community in the driver's seat, so to speak. It served as my answer to question 5. That answer, in turn, came largely from the recent thread 'Building consensus online', in DoWire consult. What follows takes off from there.) > *(8)* What will be the cultural effects? (This answer is informal, anecdotal in style. It has yet to be anchored in theory. The necessary sources are largely unread. For reference, it is also posted as part of Votorla's system design: ) http://zelea.com/project/votorola/a/design.xht#ca-culture-untangle Imagine how a text might look, as it formed within a collective medium of composition (6a). Imagine a creative literary work, for example, as it is being composed by a community of artists. Picture it, not from the vantage of an artist, but rather from that of an outside observer. Viewed thus from a distance, the population of variant drafts (one per artist), looks much like a swarm of particles, or a cloud. It is somewhat amorphous and hazily outlined. Most of its internal structure and dynamic (complexes of specialization among the artists) will be invisible at a distance. But we might still see concentrations, here and there, around particular artists. We might see a division between two language communities, two half-clouds with a narrow bridge of translation between them. Or we might see the cloud tending to pull apart in other places, on the verge of becoming two clouds, drifting away from each other. At a finer scale, we know that the internal dynamic of creativity and composition (unseen to us) is one of textual interchange. Artists are exchanging pieces of text amongst themselves, peer to peer. These unseen exchanges are, in fact, the attractive force that holds the cloud together. Without them, it would disperse away into nothing. These exchanges are also the primary motor that impels the text along on an evolutionary course. Communicative exchange - a kind of dialogue or conversation - is therefore essential to the process of composition within this new medium. In a sense, this is nothing new. Artistic creation has always been a dialogue (of one form or another) among artists. Ian Colford explains this sense of it, with regard to traditional creative literature: It is this interplay between reader and author that creates a literature. We read, we agree or disagree, and we are stimulated to compose a response (either in emulation or in opposition), and in effect reverse roles with the author. No written work ever emerges from a vacuum, without reference to another. Each text that is created represents an attempt to refine or refute or answer or in some way imitate or improve upon an earlier one. - Colford (1996) In modern society, the form of this dialogue is very unlike the one we envisioned further above. Rather than an exchange of textual fragments, it is an exchange of whole texts. And rather than engaging many artists in a humming, buzzing cloud of activity, it empowers a few to speak loudly through the machinery of mass communication. An artist speaks, the presses clatter, and a million copies of Harry Potter are printed for the world. The world reads it. Eventually, the presses clatter again, and the reply is printed. There was once an economic rationale for this form of dialogue, but it no longer has a basis. Capital machinery and costly distribution systems (printing presses, book stores, and so forth) are no longer needed for literature. We can therefore ignore the old economic rationale, and re-design our media according to a purely cultural rationale. According to that rationale, an efficient facility of dialogue is foremost. So we leave the clatter of the presses behind (for now), and turn once again to the hum and buzz of the cloud. Given that this is the new medium of composition, we naturally wonder what is being composed in it. (What stories do the writers tell, amongst themselves? What tales do they spin for their own pleasure?) Reaching into the cloud, we pull out a copy of an individual draft. A publisher happens along, equally curious. He peers over our shoulder, and together we read it. Soon he is shaking his head, "No, no. I'm afraid we can't print that." You might think he fears there will be no market for it; that the writers have composed a dark, modern tale of alienation and malaise. But no, it's actually worse than that. They've copied the entire text of Harry Potter, and are freely adapting it. "It's guaranteed, " he says, "A copyright infringement suit." He pauses, and looks over at the cloud, "On the other hand, if the readers actually like it..." But the cloud cannot answer the question on his mind. To answer, it would need a consensual medium (6b). Recall that a consensual medium would facilitate the formation and expression of collective interest. And collective interest is exactly what the publisher is looking for. Something changes, however, when we add a consensual medium that introduces voting to the cloud. The compositional ideas that had been flowing throughout in a wayward, criss-cross pattern, now begin to coalesce in places. New ideas, new pieces of text, have now acquired a slight tendency to move toward the nearby consensus drafts (those having the most votes). The reason is simple: every 'consensus artist' has a natural desire to appeal to the voters. The easiest way to appeal to them, and attract their votes, is to pull content from other artists (artists are voters), and to openly receive new ideas from them. By gravitational attraction, therefore, the clumps of consensus are drawing content from the creative cloud along communication lines that resemble (somewhat) the voting lines. This raises an interesting question. The text is *not*, in this case, a policy document or legislative bill. Rather, it is art. What is the meaning of consensus, when it forms on an object of art? When it forms on a policy document or a legislative bill, its meaning depends on the fact that the artifact is subsequently actualized in the political sphere. But where is art actualized? How does a work of literature, for example, confront the world? "I publish it," answers the publisher. Then art is actualized in the economic sphere? This would take us back to where we began. Culture might be broadcast to a mass audience, once again. The difference is, this time, the relationship between culture and economy is altered. The two spheres are now disengaged. The publisher would be drawing his wares fully formed from the cultural sphere, without being involved in their composition. (But there is more to it than this, as becomes apparent if we revisit the question of cultural consensus, this time on a broader scale.) > *(9)* How will cultural effects (8) interplay with societal-communal > effects (5)? (This answer addresses the formal relationship between culture and community, as bridged by the open electoral medium. The incidental focus here is fine art; the other fields of culture have yet to be considered. This is also posted to: ) http://zelea.com/project/votorola/a/design.xht#ca-culture-community To fully address the meaning of a cultural consensus, we must look at what happens when the consensus extends to a broad scale. All members of the community can vote, of course, because the medium is open. A properly broad consensus will therfore extend beyond the artists and their immediate audience to encompass the entire community. This opens a question: How can those members of the community who are neither artists nor audience meaningfully contribute to a consensus that forms on a particular object of art? To frame an answer, let us return briefly to a political orientation, and consider an object of law: a legislative bill for tax reform. Most residents are not actually going to *read* a legislative bill. (Even professional legislators often read only a summary.) Nevertheless, almost every member of the community does have an *interest* in tax legislation. Consequently, they also have a motivation to vote. This poses no problem for the consensual medium, because it is a delegate cascade. A typical voter who lacks the time and expertise to read a legislative draft will nevertheless have time to cast a vote. She can do this in an informed manner, for example, by voting for a friend who is better informed than herself - perhaps a friend who is a tax accountant - and has similar interests to her own. By casting a vote on the basis of trusted and reliable information, such as this, she is making an informed decision. If she has doubts or questions, she can direct them to her chosen candidate. By engaging her friend in dialogue and weighing the answers, she can decide whether to leave her vote in place, or to shift it to another candidate. Meanwhile, those candidates who are more directly occupied with the legislative drafting (higher in the cascade) will be revising their drafts in response to (and in anticipation of) the vote shifts. By this mechanism, an entire community is intimately involved in the composition. And should their votes ever cascade to a single consensus draft, then it properly represents the legislative expression of the entire community. We can now see, more clearly, the meaning of a cultural consensus. If a broad consensus were to form on a cultural artifact, then that artifact would be, quite literally, the creative expression of an entire community. It only remains to predict what sort of artifact would be capable of capturing and holding the broad interest of a community. If it was not Harry Potter, for example, then what might it be? Recall from Weber: "Not ideas, but material and ideal interests directly govern men's conduct. Yet very frequently the 'world images' created by 'ideas' have, like switchmen, determined the tracks along which action has been pushed by the dynamic of interest." [Quoted in Habermas, TCA1 193] Recall from Parsons: the function of the political sphere is 'goal attainment'. Putting these two together suggests the hypothesis that a community will employ an open electoral medium in order to independently form and express its highest aims *in culture*; while, simultaneously, employing the medium to attain those aims *in politics*. Please comment,
Michael,
The specification of the Smartocracy implementation for Open Social is
now done and the development work runs to the end of June. It will be
for political questions, especially "hard" political questions as we are
using the "proxy" method in Rodriquez' paper. We judged this one to be
the simplest one to try out with an existing network.
We are most interested to see if an existing network can be used and if
it will illustrate Smartocracy's "emergent representative" phenomenon,
if I can call it that. This is where ballots have carefully chosen tags
and voters create proxies on upcoming elections via tags. Voters vote
in their domain of expertise and delegate their votes in other domains
to people they know who have some ideas. Network effects hopefully form
and some "experts" get lots of proxies.
Kind regards,
Craig.
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Craig Burton wrote:
> The specification of the Smartocracy implementation for Open Social is
> now done and the development work runs to the end of June. It will be
> for political questions, especially "hard" political questions...
interesting... are you able to post the spec?
Craig Burton wrote: > The specification of the Smartocracy implementation for Open Social is > now done and the development work runs to the end of June... But you are unable to post the spec? Will you be able to show running code in June? (Or will that also be under wraps, until the production release?) > ... It will be > for political questions, especially "hard" political questions as we are > using the "proxy" method in Rodriquez' paper. We judged this one to be > the simplest one to try out with an existing network. What do you mean, Craig, by an "existing network"? Do you mean that Google's servers will host your application (as OpenSocial allows)? > We are most interested to see if an existing network can be used and if > it will illustrate Smartocracy's "emergent representative" phenomenon, > if I can call it that. This is where ballots have carefully chosen tags > and voters create proxies on upcoming elections via tags. Voters vote > in their domain of expertise and delegate their votes in other domains > to people they know who have some ideas. Network effects hopefully form > and some "experts" get lots of proxies. Something like an oracle, then? Who will frame the hard political questions, to put before it? Could we ask it questions like: How ought we to amend the zoning bylaws, consistent with the new park on Cleaver Street? What ought to be the City's plan for public transportation? Who ought to be Mayor? BTW, if anyone is planning to experiment with voting mechanisms (in a real-life, political context), you might wish to consider using Votorola, as your development base. I've sketched some notes on this here (sorry it is somewhat rough, but please ask if you need more info): http://zelea.com/project/votorola/a/design.xht#extended-electoral-services Basically, you would focus on coding the actual voting mechanism, and the electoral rules, without worrying too much about the voter register, and the basic UI framework (Web, email, etc.) - provided you are content with the default implementations of these, that are built into Votorola (otherwise, they too are pluggable). My own voting mechanism (delegate cascade + recombinant text) should be ready for beta in June. The exact timing of the trials will depend on the system administrators in each local jurisdiction, where the trials will be conducted. (But we already have running code online, which you can try out.) http://zelea.com/project/votorola/home.xht
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