Social media & local gov event 29th October
From:
Mick
Date:
Sep 02 18:43 UTC
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I tend to agree with both Graham and David in different ways and for
differing reasons!
The concern is that politicians and their professional counterparts are
being encouraged towards Web 2.0 for those sexy (hype) reasons and I
still have concerns about accessibility! As to SOA, its been around for
12 years and should have been the foundation of e-government i.e. making
the data more accessible for things like the mashups favoured by W2
enthusiasts.
Gartner have been reasonably accurate in their e-gov predictions, so
they may be right in this case.
As to getting the citizens writing - nice idea but I await people truly
getting involved online, apart from a very small minority, normally with
a grudge! We established forums on our council web site which haven't
been used either by staff or the public, we have tried online budgetary
involvement with statistically insignificant feedback. We recently
provided a form to 'question the Leader' - 15 responses of unknown
quality but he seems pleased! But again what about the excluded?
Personalisation may pull a few more in but technology doesn't come
cheap, nor the people to develop and support it. According to the FT the
whole Blair e-gov spend was around eight billion, surely some ground
work on process and needs beforehand could have ensured a better spend?
Mick http://greatemancipator.com
-----Original Message-----
From: <email obscured> [mailto:ukie@groups.dowire.org] On Behalf
Of Graham Lally
Sent: 02 September 2008 10:24
To: <email obscured>
Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] Social media & local gov event 29th October
Hi Mick,
On Mon, 1 Sep 2008, Mick Phythian wrote:
> By the way, I was reading up on the history of SOA (service oriented
> architecture), which was posited by a Gartner consultant and there is
> a recent Gartner paper suggesting that Web 2.0 is distracting from
> SOA, which should be the real concern.
>
> For the public sector, to confuse metters, I'm trying to develop a
> Citizen Oriented Architecture which is a mix of front office and
> performance tools that could then meet with the back-office SOA.
I'm not really sure exactly what SOA or Web 2.0 are (not that that seems
to stop me from using them ;) but doesn't thinking of politics in terms
of technology just distract from thinking of it in terms of ...
politics? IOW, is it better to think of it in terms of technology, or to
look at the underlying social/political cultures and attitudes that lead
to the development of those technologies?
I guess the above could sound quite academic, but I think without it,
you can end up going round in technology circles, or ending up in coding
cul-de-sacs. One of the main questions I can see is: how much do we want
to fragment our politics by fragmenting technological efforts? Is it
really a case now that a bunch of people get together and code whatever
form of democracy they want for their self-assembled group?
Having said that, from what I've seen, 90% of Web 2.0 *and* SOA appears
to be marketing and novelty hype... ;)
- graham
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