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From: Christoforos Korakas [mailto:ckorakas@gmail.com]
Sent: 07 February 2008 16:15
To: <email obscured>
Subject: Re: [Consult] Building consensus online/definitions?[Scanned]
Hello to all,
I try to follow the discussion as much as i can ...
We are actually trying through this mail list, through debate and
deliberation, to arrive at a consensus ourselves on what consensus is
...
(???)
I would be keen to see if anyone has spotted any better tool than mail
list
to actually exchange debate and deliberate on any issue ...
I cant believe that this is something we can propose as a solution to
any
real life implementation (such as 500 people deliberating on substantial
issues they need to decide on)
And i mean discuss ... not reply to questionnaires nor Vote on options
...
discuss...
Forums will not do either ... when you eventually reach a critical mass
of
arguments (lets say 500) it is impossible to do anything with it ...
(Imagine what it would look like ... *"replying to the thread number 235
on
the 7th page of contributions to this discussion i would like to say
that
...* "
Has any one got anything better to propose ?
And thats just a mild case ...
We all want participation right? what if people actually show up ? what
then
??
try deal with 10.000 citizens wanting to discuss issues with the mayor!!
try a 100.000 wanting to discuss with the President ...
I try to find a way to solve this one but no success till now ...
Best Regards
Christoforos Korakas
On Feb 7, 2008 4:23 PM, Peter M. Shane <pshane@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> I've been loosing following this thread, but find myself wondering --
is
> everyone using "consensus" to mean the same thing? Some posts seem to
aim
> towards something like unanimous agreement. Others seem to mean
something
> like "general agreement," even if there remains substantial dissent.
Yet
> others seem to mean just a majority conclusion, so long as the
dissenters
> buy into the legitimacy of the process. What, exactly, are you all
> talking
> about?
>
> Best, Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pete Thomson [mailto:pete.thomson@wolverhampton.gov.uk]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:12 AM
> To: <email obscured>
> Subject: Re: [Consult] Building consensus online
>
> Michael, I think it was the word "force" that sparked my comment - I'm
not
> sure if it's really an objection. Miles has now clarified that he
didn't
> mean quite what I took it to mean.
>
> Where I'm coming from, basically, is the relatively low level of
> participation in almost all online spaces (low compared to, say,
voting in
> elections). It is about point (a) in Michael's labelling of my points:
> individuals and interest groups are not under any pressure to
participate.
> That means that (1) there's not seen to be an active marketplace
that's
> worth selling into, and (2) legitimacy is weak so action is unlikely
> (unless
> the forum is sponsored by an institution that's committed to acting on
its
> conclusions).
>
> This may be getting a bit off topic from Steven's original question,
which
> is more about point (b). But actually I wonder whether one reason for
> difficulty in reaching consensus is that the participants don't really
> believe it matters. We may heckle the guy spouting off from the
soapbox,
> but
> the discussion with him won't change the way we vote.
>
>
> Member profile for Pete Thomson:
> http://groups.dowire.org/contacts/petethomson
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