CLG, ICELE and Lichfield
From:
Mick
Date:
May 30 09:24 UTC
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I think perhaps first of all we need to know what the great British
public expect of e-Democracy or even Democracy and attempt to champion
that.
As with everything e-, there is an assumption that it will be used, is
cheaper and better.
Where is the evidence? OK, I can contact my local councillor by email,
it doesn't mean that the answer is any better than if I'd waited to a
response to a voicemail or letter, they'll still be waiting on a
response from a council worker. What it might mean is that I've jumped
the queue on the person without access to email.
As I've stated before there is great potential for improving services,
including the democratic ones but fundamentally it's the process behind
it, and it has to recognise that some will never be able to use it and
that shouldn't reduce their chances of being heard.
Rather than assumptions, I'd like to see more evidence from this country
(cultures and systems vary, along with connectivity). This includes more
'measured' pilots.
I think your final statement could be applied to the entire e-government
agenda over the past 10 years but we didn't, we haven't and I don't
think we ever will - it's not in Whitehall's interest.
Mick
http://greatemancipator.com
-----Original Message-----
From: <email obscured> [mailto:andy.wairua@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Andy Williamson
Sent: 30 May 2008 10:05
To: <email obscured>
Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] CLG, ICELE and Lichfield
The potential (iminent?) demise of ICELE is worrying.
I sense an element of brinksmanship in the ICELE email - almost calling
DCLG's bluff... fund us now or else. But it is perhaps well past that
stage as I'm sure no one expects DCLG to react at anything other than a
glacial pace. They are clearly not in the loop and struggling to get
themselves there.
ICELE has been far from perfect in many ways and at this point it is
important to separate the people from the institution. From what I've
seen the folks at ICELE have worked hard in difficult circumstances.
Perhaps there is a glimmer of hope out of this that the work and role of
ICELE (and its successors!) can be elevated to the position it deserves
- and as Paul notes receives in other countries. There is a desparate
need for a cultural change towards eDemocracy within central government
but I think this is happening - at least in pockets.
Our role now as advocates for eDemocracy is not to reduce the pressure
but to increase it and argue strongly for a centralised, properly
resourced and commissioned eDemocracy agency.
Andy
2008/5/30 paul canning <paul.canning@gmail.com>:
> two points:
>
> 1. How much money has been wasted on this and other national projects?
> Is anyone other than Public Sector Forums paying attention?
>
> 2. This just highlights for me the absence of any national central
> point of reference for egov. It's splintered all over the place, so no
> one actually working in the area has 'heard of' most of the worthy
> stuff.
>
> We need an intro point as well as one for researchers - ICELE at least
> tried to be the former with its introductions.
>
> It just pains me that the Australian state of Victoria and other
> governments like Hong Kong and New Zealand have managed 'one stop
> shop' portals to egov for practitioners but all Downing St has led
> with is endless, endless different initiatives with different websites
> whilst at the same time preaching to the rest of us about 'just'
> directgov and businesslink.
>
> We've got truly bad leadership on egov in the country and I'd hope us
> practitioners could say that with a collective voice rather than
> 'well, on the other hand ... '
>
>
> Member profile for paul canning:
> http://groups.dowire.org/contacts/paulcanning
>
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