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From: Steven Clift Date: May 29 18:11 UTC Short link

This came across my desk today. What next for e-democracy and the UK
government/DCLG? Where will the online resources from the original
national project be archived online? - Steven Clift


*County Councillor Matthew Ellis*

*Chairman of ICELE*

Office: 01543 480644

<email obscured>

29^th May 2008

Dear Colleague

Im writing to thank you for the invaluable support you have given to
the International Centre of Excellence for Local eDemocracy (ICELE) over
the last eighteen months or so.

We have been awaiting a decision on the future of ICELE from our
sponsoring Government Department (CLG) but that decision which was
promised consistently since December 2007 has not been forthcoming.

Although the termination date for ICELE was originally contracted as the
end of March this year we agreed, at CLGs request, to maintain the
Centres basic core operation for a further three months to discuss the
way forward in promoting local eDemocracy. Unfortunately, although some
talks have taken place, no decision or indication of CLGs future plans
in this important area of work have been forthcoming, or what form or
structure ICELE could take. I am therefore in the process of
implementing an exit strategy plan which will see ICELE cease operations
of any kind with Lichfield DC as the accountable body after the end of June.

I want to take this opportunity also to highlight some of the positive
work done by the dedicated people and organisations involved directly
and indirectly with the Centre. Firstly, it is worth remembering that
ICELE didnt exist two years ago and yet has built a positive and
recognisable reputation earning trust in local government and public
bodies in the UK and abroad. Some specific work includes:

    * An award winning vibrant website and regular e-newsletters
      disseminating good practice
    * Support for numerous programmes and regional work from events such
      as North East Connects Changing the Role of the Frontline
      Councillor programme to championing ePetitions with events in
      Bristol and with London Connects in Kingston Upon Thames
    * Developing Bloginabox to the point where it could now encourage
      more Elected Members than ever before to use simple technology to
      build a new type of relationship with their electorate
    * Taking over from CLG the development of the VOICE Community Portal
      so it is now in a mature state and virtually self sustainable on
      cost and support, and becoming more widely used by local
      authorities with over 2,800 users representing 342 communities
    * Winning substantial European Commission funding as part of two
      different international partnerships to enhance understanding and
      good practice around eParticipation

Contd


There is much more which has been established and taken up by those
involved with the innovative promotion of eDemocracy and eParticipation.
As we have not been advised on any arrangements for transition, we will
have to assume that products such as VOICE and Bloginabox/Readmyday will
revert to CLG and everything else will simply cease on 30^th June.

At ICELE we genuinely hope that Government will pursue ways of taking
forwards those areas which will make a real difference to our democratic
process and encourage greater public participation in future.

Finally, I want to thank and pay tribute to the ICELE Board, our
partners and particularly to the small band of people who work directly
for the Centre for their dedicated efforts in moving this important
agenda forwards.

Yours sincerely,


County Councillor Matthew Ellis

Chairman & Conservative Party board member

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From: Dave Briggs Date: May 29 20:27 UTC Short link

Sorry for being dim, but does this mean the end of ICELE or the end of
Lichfield's involvement?

Or are they the same?

Dave

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Steven Clift <clift@publicus.net> wrote:
> This came across my desk today. What next for e-democracy and the UK
> government/DCLG? Where will the online resources from the original
> national project be archived online? - Steven Clift
>
>
> *County Councillor Matthew Ellis*
>
> *Chairman of ICELE*
>
> Office: 01543 480644
>
> <email obscured>
>
> 29^th May 2008
>
> Dear Colleague
>
> Im writing to thank you for the invaluable support you have given to
> the International Centre of Excellence for Local eDemocracy (ICELE) over
> the last eighteen months or so.
>
> We have been awaiting a decision on the future of ICELE from our
> sponsoring Government Department (CLG) but that decision which was
> promised consistently since December 2007 has not been forthcoming.
>
> Although the termination date for ICELE was originally contracted as the
> end of March this year we agreed, at CLGs request, to maintain the
> Centres basic core operation for a further three months to discuss the
> way forward in promoting local eDemocracy. Unfortunately, although some
> talks have taken place, no decision or indication of CLGs future plans
> in this important area of work have been forthcoming, or what form or
> structure ICELE could take. I am therefore in the process of
> implementing an exit strategy plan which will see ICELE cease operations
> of any kind with Lichfield DC as the accountable body after the end of June.
>
> I want to take this opportunity also to highlight some of the positive
> work done by the dedicated people and organisations involved directly
> and indirectly with the Centre. Firstly, it is worth remembering that
> ICELE didnt exist two years ago and yet has built a positive and
> recognisable reputation earning trust in local government and public
> bodies in the UK and abroad. Some specific work includes:
>
>    * An award winning vibrant website and regular e-newsletters
>      disseminating good practice
>    * Support for numerous programmes and regional work from events such
>      as North East Connects Changing the Role of the Frontline
>      Councillor programme to championing ePetitions with events in
>      Bristol and with London Connects in Kingston Upon Thames
>    * Developing Bloginabox to the point where it could now encourage
>      more Elected Members than ever before to use simple technology to
>      build a new type of relationship with their electorate
>    * Taking over from CLG the development of the VOICE Community Portal
>      so it is now in a mature state and virtually self sustainable on
>      cost and support, and becoming more widely used by local
>      authorities with over 2,800 users representing 342 communities
>    * Winning substantial European Commission funding as part of two
>      different international partnerships to enhance understanding and
>      good practice around eParticipation
>
> Contd
>
>
> There is much more which has been established and taken up by those
> involved with the innovative promotion of eDemocracy and eParticipation.
> As we have not been advised on any arrangements for transition, we will
> have to assume that products such as VOICE and Bloginabox/Readmyday will
> revert to CLG and everything else will simply cease on 30^th June.
>
> At ICELE we genuinely hope that Government will pursue ways of taking
> forwards those areas which will make a real difference to our democratic
> process and encourage greater public participation in future.
>
> Finally, I want to thank and pay tribute to the ICELE Board, our
> partners and particularly to the small band of people who work directly
> for the Centre for their dedicated efforts in moving this important
> agenda forwards.
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
>
> County Councillor Matthew Ellis
>
> Chairman & Conservative Party board member
>
>
> UK and Ireland E-Democracy Exchange now contains the following file
>
>    http://groups.dowire.org/r/file/293-2008-05-29T181141Z
>    Name: letterf.doc
>    Tags: "attachment"
>    Type: application/msword
>    Size: 79KB
>
>
>
> Member profile for Steven Clift:
> http://groups.dowire.org/contacts/stevenclift
>
>
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From: Jill Sanders Date: May 29 21:49 UTC Short link

And who out here in the big wide world of real people doing things, who've
never heard of this ICELE thing, will notice?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Briggs" <dave@change2.org>
To: <ukie@groups.dowire.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] CLG, ICELE and Lichfield


Sorry for being dim, but does this mean the end of ICELE or the end of
Lichfield's involvement?

Or are they the same?

Dave

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Steven Clift <clift@publicus.net> wrote:
> This came across my desk today. What next for e-democracy and the UK
> government/DCLG? Where will the online resources from the original
> national project be archived online? - Steven Clift
>
>
> *County Councillor Matthew Ellis*
>
> *Chairman of ICELE*
>
> Office: 01543 480644
>
> <email obscured>
>
> 29^th May 2008
>
> Dear Colleague
>
> Im writing to thank you for the invaluable support you have given to
> the International Centre of Excellence for Local eDemocracy (ICELE) over
> the last eighteen months or so.
>
> We have been awaiting a decision on the future of ICELE from our
> sponsoring Government Department (CLG) but that decision which was
> promised consistently since December 2007 has not been forthcoming.
>
> Although the termination date for ICELE was originally contracted as the
> end of March this year we agreed, at CLGs request, to maintain the
> Centres basic core operation for a further three months to discuss the
> way forward in promoting local eDemocracy. Unfortunately, although some
> talks have taken place, no decision or indication of CLGs future plans
> in this important area of work have been forthcoming, or what form or
> structure ICELE could take. I am therefore in the process of
> implementing an exit strategy plan which will see ICELE cease operations
> of any kind with Lichfield DC as the accountable body after the end of
> June.
>
> I want to take this opportunity also to highlight some of the positive
> work done by the dedicated people and organisations involved directly
> and indirectly with the Centre. Firstly, it is worth remembering that
> ICELE didnt exist two years ago and yet has built a positive and
> recognisable reputation earning trust in local government and public
> bodies in the UK and abroad. Some specific work includes:
>
>    * An award winning vibrant website and regular e-newsletters
>      disseminating good practice
>    * Support for numerous programmes and regional work from events such
>      as North East Connects Changing the Role of the Frontline
>      Councillor programme to championing ePetitions with events in
>      Bristol and with London Connects in Kingston Upon Thames
>    * Developing Bloginabox to the point where it could now encourage
>      more Elected Members than ever before to use simple technology to
>      build a new type of relationship with their electorate
>    * Taking over from CLG the development of the VOICE Community Portal
>      so it is now in a mature state and virtually self sustainable on
>      cost and support, and becoming more widely used by local
>      authorities with over 2,800 users representing 342 communities
>    * Winning substantial European Commission funding as part of two
>      different international partnerships to enhance understanding and
>      good practice around eParticipation
>
> Contd
>
>
> There is much more which has been established and taken up by those
> involved with the innovative promotion of eDemocracy and eParticipation.
> As we have not been advised on any arrangements for transition, we will
> have to assume that products such as VOICE and Bloginabox/Readmyday will
> revert to CLG and everything else will simply cease on 30^th June.
>
> At ICELE we genuinely hope that Government will pursue ways of taking
> forwards those areas which will make a real difference to our democratic
> process and encourage greater public participation in future.
>
> Finally, I want to thank and pay tribute to the ICELE Board, our
> partners and particularly to the small band of people who work directly
> for the Centre for their dedicated efforts in moving this important
> agenda forwards.
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
>
> County Councillor Matthew Ellis
>
> Chairman & Conservative Party board member
>
>
> UK and Ireland E-Democracy Exchange now contains the following file
>
>    http://groups.dowire.org/r/file/293-2008-05-29T181141Z
>    Name: letterf.doc
>    Tags: "attachment"
>    Type: application/msword
>    Size: 79KB
>
>
>
> Member profile for Steven Clift:
> http://groups.dowire.org/contacts/stevenclift
>
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
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From: Ella Taylor-Smith Date: May 30 08:22 UTC Short link

Hi,
it means the end of ITC -as far as I can see, Lichfield Council will
still fulfil ICELE's remaining responsibilities.

I think there is room for an organisation to  -like ICELE - to be a
central contact/info point for e-democracy in the UK (I've widened it
there from local). Where they've collected data and case studies on a
specific topic (like e-petitions) I've found it useful.

There is also the question of the semi-lost archives of the Local
eDemocracy National Project (see my earlier post
http://groups.dowire.org/groups/ukie/messages/post/2huJsvjVemoUPjGsG5JoG
z ) and the earlier http://www.e-democracy.gov.uk
which Steven posted about recently
http://groups.dowire.org/groups/ukie/messages/topic/1lCvOWLG44f7EoN48lYF
xx

I'd be interested to hear if anyone knows of any plans to create these
resources
http://groups.dowire.org/groups/ukie/messages/topic/1lCvOWLG44f7EoN48lYF
xx

-Ella

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From: paul canning Date: May 30 08:40 UTC Short link

two points:

1. How much money has been wasted on this and other national projects? Is
anyone other than Public Sector Forums paying attention?

2. This just highlights for me the absence of any national central point of
reference for egov. It's splintered all over the place, so no one actually
working in the area has 'heard of' most of the worthy stuff.

We need an intro point as well as one for researchers - ICELE at least tried to
be the former with its introductions.

It just pains me that the Australian state of Victoria and other governments
like Hong Kong and New Zealand have managed 'one stop shop' portals to egov for
practitioners but all Downing St has led with is endless, endless different
initiatives with different websites whilst at the same time preaching to the
rest of us about 'just' directgov and businesslink.

We've got truly bad leadership on egov in the country and I'd hope us
practitioners could say that with a collective voice rather than 'well, on the
other hand ... '

From: Mick Date: May 30 08:55 UTC Short link

Following up on Paul.

In government circles we have long been expected to follow Prince 2
project management principles and define what we were expecting to
achieve before we set out. In central government 'gateway reviews' are
supposed to be de facto prior to spending the bulk of the project
monies. Then at the end, some sort of post-project review is supposed to
be carried out to present the success or otherwise and any lessons
learned etc...

Where did this fit in with any of the national projects including ICELE?

Mick

http://greatemacipator.com

From: Andy Williamson Date: May 30 09:05 UTC Short link

The potential (iminent?) demise of ICELE is worrying.

I sense an element of brinksmanship in the ICELE email - almost
calling DCLG's bluff... fund us now or else. But it is perhaps well
past that stage as I'm sure no one expects DCLG to react at anything
other than a glacial pace. They are clearly not in the loop and
struggling to get themselves there.

ICELE has been far from perfect in many ways and at this point it is
important to separate the people from the institution. From what I've
seen the folks at ICELE have worked hard in difficult circumstances.
Perhaps there is a glimmer of hope out of this that the work and role
of ICELE (and its successors!) can be elevated to the position it
deserves - and as Paul notes receives in other countries. There is a
desparate need for a cultural change towards eDemocracy within central
government but I think this is happening - at least in pockets.

Our role now as advocates for eDemocracy is not to reduce the pressure
but to increase it and argue strongly for a centralised, properly
resourced and commissioned eDemocracy agency.

Andy



2008/5/30 paul canning <paul.canning@gmail.com>:
> two points:
>
> 1. How much money has been wasted on this and other national projects? Is
anyone other than Public Sector Forums paying attention?
>
> 2. This just highlights for me the absence of any national central point of
reference for egov. It's splintered all over the place, so no one actually
working in the area has 'heard of' most of the worthy stuff.
>
> We need an intro point as well as one for researchers - ICELE at least tried
to be the former with its introductions.
>
> It just pains me that the Australian state of Victoria and other governments
like Hong Kong and New Zealand have managed 'one stop shop' portals to egov for
practitioners but all Downing St has led with is endless, endless different
initiatives with different websites whilst at the same time preaching to the
rest of us about 'just' directgov and businesslink.
>
> We've got truly bad leadership on egov in the country and I'd hope us
practitioners could say that with a collective voice rather than 'well, on the
other hand ... '

From: Mick Date: May 30 09:24 UTC Short link

I think perhaps first of all we need to know what the great British
public expect of e-Democracy or even Democracy and attempt to champion
that.

As with everything e-, there is an assumption that it will be used, is
cheaper and better.

Where is the evidence? OK, I can contact my local councillor by email,
it doesn't mean that the answer is any better than if I'd waited to a
response to a voicemail or letter, they'll still be waiting on a
response from a council worker. What it might mean is that I've jumped
the queue on the person without access to email.

As I've stated before there is great potential for improving services,
including the democratic ones but fundamentally it's the process behind
it, and it has to recognise that some will never be able to use it and
that shouldn't reduce their chances of being heard.

Rather than assumptions, I'd like to see more evidence from this country
(cultures and systems vary, along with connectivity). This includes more
'measured' pilots.

I think your final statement could be applied to the entire e-government
agenda over the past 10 years but we didn't, we haven't and I don't
think we ever will - it's not in Whitehall's interest.

Mick

http://greatemancipator.com

-----Original Message-----
From: <email obscured> [mailto:andy.wairua@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Andy Williamson
Sent: 30 May 2008 10:05
To: <email obscured>
Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] CLG, ICELE and Lichfield


The potential (iminent?) demise of ICELE is worrying.

I sense an element of brinksmanship in the ICELE email - almost calling
DCLG's bluff... fund us now or else. But it is perhaps well past that
stage as I'm sure no one expects DCLG to react at anything other than a
glacial pace. They are clearly not in the loop and struggling to get
themselves there.

ICELE has been far from perfect in many ways and at this point it is
important to separate the people from the institution. From what I've
seen the folks at ICELE have worked hard in difficult circumstances.
Perhaps there is a glimmer of hope out of this that the work and role of
ICELE (and its successors!) can be elevated to the position it deserves
- and as Paul notes receives in other countries. There is a desparate
need for a cultural change towards eDemocracy within central government
but I think this is happening - at least in pockets.

Our role now as advocates for eDemocracy is not to reduce the pressure
but to increase it and argue strongly for a centralised, properly
resourced and commissioned eDemocracy agency.

Andy



2008/5/30 paul canning <paul.canning@gmail.com>:
> two points:
>
> 1. How much money has been wasted on this and other national projects?

> Is anyone other than Public Sector Forums paying attention?
>
> 2. This just highlights for me the absence of any national central
> point of reference for egov. It's splintered all over the place, so no

> one actually working in the area has 'heard of' most of the worthy
> stuff.
>
> We need an intro point as well as one for researchers - ICELE at least

> tried to be the former with its introductions.
>
> It just pains me that the Australian state of Victoria and other
> governments like Hong Kong and New Zealand have managed 'one stop
> shop' portals to egov for practitioners but all Downing St has led
> with is endless, endless different initiatives with different websites

> whilst at the same time preaching to the rest of us about 'just'
> directgov and businesslink.
>
> We've got truly bad leadership on egov in the country and I'd hope us
> practitioners could say that with a collective voice rather than
> 'well, on the other hand ... '
>
>
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From: Dan Jellinek Date: May 30 09:39 UTC Short link

hi andy, and paul (canning),

as i understand it the current uncertainty for ICELE (which has clearly led
to Lichfield losing patience) does come as part of a possible attempt to try
to unite the various bits and pieces of government which have previously
carried out local and national e-deomcracy work, e.g. DCLG, MoJ, Cabinet
Office.

However government can indeed be glacial, even assuming it is inching in the
right direction...

I too sense there possibly is some brinkmanship here as well, which seems to
me to be a shame - and unlikely to work very well.

cheers,
dan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Williamson" <andy@andywilliamson.com>
To: <ukie@groups.dowire.org>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] CLG, ICELE and Lichfield

The potential (iminent?) demise of ICELE is worrying.

I sense an element of brinksmanship in the ICELE email - almost
calling DCLG's bluff... fund us now or else. But it is perhaps well
past that stage as I'm sure no one expects DCLG to react at anything
other than a glacial pace. They are clearly not in the loop and
struggling to get themselves there.

ICELE has been far from perfect in many ways and at this point it is
important to separate the people from the institution. From what I've
seen the folks at ICELE have worked hard in difficult circumstances.
Perhaps there is a glimmer of hope out of this that the work and role
of ICELE (and its successors!) can be elevated to the position it
deserves - and as Paul notes receives in other countries. There is a
desparate need for a cultural change towards eDemocracy within central
government but I think this is happening - at least in pockets.

Our role now as advocates for eDemocracy is not to reduce the pressure
but to increase it and argue strongly for a centralised, properly
resourced and commissioned eDemocracy agency.

Andy

2008/5/30 paul canning <paul.canning@gmail.com>:
> two points:
>
> 1. How much money has been wasted on this and other national projects? Is
> anyone other than Public Sector Forums paying attention?
>
> 2. This just highlights for me the absence of any national central point
> of reference for egov. It's splintered all over the place, so no one
> actually working in the area has 'heard of' most of the worthy stuff.
>
> We need an intro point as well as one for researchers - ICELE at least
> tried to be the former with its introductions.
>
> It just pains me that the Australian state of Victoria and other
> governments like Hong Kong and New Zealand have managed 'one stop shop'
> portals to egov for practitioners but all Downing St has led with is
> endless, endless different initiatives with different websites whilst at
> the same time preaching to the rest of us about 'just' directgov and
> businesslink.
>
> We've got truly bad leadership on egov in the country and I'd hope us
> practitioners could say that with a collective voice rather than 'well, on
> the other hand ... '
>
>
> Member profile for paul canning:
> http://groups.dowire.org/contacts/paulcanning
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>
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From: James Gilmour Date: May 30 10:06 UTC Short link

Ella > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:00 AM
> I'd be interested to hear if anyone knows of any plans to create these
resources
http://groups.dowire.org/groups/ukie/messages/topic/1lCvOWLG44f7EoN48lYFxx

I suggest this should be taken up with the UK National Archives who have
responsibility for "preserving" electronic records.
Some relevant webpages:

Electronic records management
  http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/electronicrecords/default.htm

Custody of digital records
  http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/recordsmanagement/custody/default.htm

Contacts
  http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/recordsmanagement/contacts.htm

This needs to be pursued by someone with much more clout than I.  I have tried
to get them to take action on two government
commission websites that disappeared, but nothing has happened and I never get
any response after the initial helpful telephone
discussion.

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From: Ella Taylor-Smith Date: May 30 10:27 UTC Short link

Hi James,
I did pursue them during the last thread and got replies and advice.
We also had a little email exchange about who currently owned the URL
e-democracy.gov.uk. It seemed to have fallen between stools and that was
not the time to sort out the problem (as ICELE's fate was being
decided). This is why I'm bringing it up again. (I don't have any clout
-I'm just a squeaky wheel!)

The National Archives are now involved in a project to streamline
archives of government online info, pronouncements etc with their Web
Continuity Project.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/webcontinuity/

-Ella
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From: Pete Thomson Date: May 30 13:52 UTC Short link

In response to Mick's comment (08:55) about project management ... I haven't
been involved with ICELE, but was part of its predecessor National Project for
Local e-Democracy. Within that project we did use a Prince 2 based approach
(although not Gateway reviews, as we were local not central government) and
produced pretty much what we said we would. The project also included some
independent evaluation, although because of the very limited timescale that
often had to say "wait and see". I think all that was reasonably competent.

Where I saw a weakness was in the higher level management of the whole
programme of national projects. There wasn't a clear initial definition of what
the programme required from our project, nor a well-prepared basis for
sustaining the products we delivered. One or two other national projects, the
digital TV one for instance, do seem to have become self-sustaining, but many
of them disappeared - not (as far as I can tell) because of an evaluation that
said they weren't worth keeping, but because central government was no longer
funding them and nobody else volunteered to take them on. The whole programme
was essentially designed for short-term activity, not lasting results. That's a
common issue with initiatives driven from the ministerial level. I don't know
of an effective way to deal with it within government.

From: Mick Date: May 30 14:21 UTC Short link

Pete

Not meaning to denigrate any particular project or person in my comment!
I agree with all you say, having been a cog in that general big wheel.
What I do think is missing is any review (post-implementation review,
lessons learned etc) that might guide those still trying to steer the
little e-ships.

If X could say we did Y and it didn't work, so try Z. If we had clear
case studies that weren't value laden...etc

Trying to coax councillors into believing that e- is worth it is hard.
Trying to get their electorate to accept the expenditure is equally
hard. It can only be supported by successful pilots.

I suspected at the end of the e-Government Unit that much document would
vapourise, so saved what I wanted for research purposes then. The post
BVPI157 review appears to have been: "well done, you all did it, cheers,
goodbye!"

Mick

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Thomson [mailto:pete.thomson@wolverhampton.gov.uk]
Sent: 30 May 2008 14:54
To: <email obscured>
Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] CLG, ICELE and Lichfield

In response to Mick's comment (08:55) about project management ... I
haven't been involved with ICELE, but was part of its predecessor
National Project for Local e-Democracy. Within that project we did use a
Prince 2 based approach (although not Gateway reviews, as we were local
not central government) and produced pretty much what we said we would.
The project also included some independent evaluation, although because
of the very limited timescale that often had to say "wait and see". I
think all that was reasonably competent.

Where I saw a weakness was in the higher level management of the whole
programme of national projects. There wasn't a clear initial definition
of what the programme required from our project, nor a well-prepared
basis for sustaining the products we delivered. One or two other
national projects, the digital TV one for instance, do seem to have
become self-sustaining, but many of them disappeared - not (as far as I
can tell) because of an evaluation that said they weren't worth keeping,
but because central government was no longer funding them and nobody
else volunteered to take them on. The whole programme was essentially
designed for short-term activity, not lasting results. That's a common
issue with initiatives driven from the ministerial level. I don't know
of an effective way to deal with it within government.

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From: Ian Cuddy Date: May 30 14:46 UTC Short link

Unfortunately (for ICELE) brinkmanship only works where both parties
accept the consequences would be calamitous and judging the posts here,
people don't seem to particularly inconsolable at the prospect of an
ICELE-less world - and I doubt CLG is quivering in its boots either.

Ian Cuddy
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Jellinek [mailto:dan@headstar.com]
Sent: 30 May 2008 10:11
To: <email obscured>
Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] CLG, ICELE and Lichfield

hi andy, and paul (canning),

as i understand it the current uncertainty for ICELE (which has clearly
led to Lichfield losing patience) does come as part of a possible
attempt to try to unite the various bits and pieces of government which
have previously carried out local and national e-deomcracy work, e.g.
DCLG, MoJ, Cabinet Office.

However government can indeed be glacial, even assuming it is inching in
the right direction...

I too sense there possibly is some brinkmanship here as well, which
seems to me to be a shame - and unlikely to work very well.

cheers,
dan

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From: "Andy Williamson" <andy@andywilliamson.com>
To: <ukie@groups.dowire.org>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] CLG, ICELE and Lichfield

The potential (iminent?) demise of ICELE is worrying.

I sense an element of brinksmanship in the ICELE email - almost
calling DCLG's bluff... fund us now or else. But it is perhaps well
past that stage as I'm sure no one expects DCLG to react at anything
other than a glacial pace. They are clearly not in the loop and
struggling to get themselves there.

ICELE has been far from perfect in many ways and at this point it is
important to separate the people from the institution. From what I've
seen the folks at ICELE have worked hard in difficult circumstances.
Perhaps there is a glimmer of hope out of this that the work and role
of ICELE (and its successors!) can be elevated to the position it
deserves - and as Paul notes receives in other countries. There is a
desparate need for a cultural change towards eDemocracy within central
government but I think this is happening - at least in pockets.

Our role now as advocates for eDemocracy is not to reduce the pressure
but to increase it and argue strongly for a centralised, properly
resourced and commissioned eDemocracy agency.

Andy

2008/5/30 paul canning <paul.canning@gmail.com>:
> two points:
>
> 1. How much money has been wasted on this and other national projects?
Is
> anyone other than Public Sector Forums paying attention?
>
> 2. This just highlights for me the absence of any national central
point
> of reference for egov. It's splintered all over the place, so no one
> actually working in the area has 'heard of' most of the worthy stuff.
>
> We need an intro point as well as one for researchers - ICELE at least

> tried to be the former with its introductions.
>
> It just pains me that the Australian state of Victoria and other
> governments like Hong Kong and New Zealand have managed 'one stop
shop'
> portals to egov for practitioners but all Downing St has led with is
> endless, endless different initiatives with different websites whilst
at
> the same time preaching to the rest of us about 'just' directgov and
> businesslink.
>
> We've got truly bad leadership on egov in the country and I'd hope us
> practitioners could say that with a collective voice rather than
'well, on
> the other hand ... '
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From: Pete Thomson Date: May 30 15:57 UTC Short link

Mick - the reason there wasn't a post-implementation review or similar was that
it was no longer of any relevance, as far as those holding the funding were
concerned. "You all did it, cheers, goodbye" was precisely the message they
wanted to send. There would have been a risk that a proper review might have
said something else.

There's a good piece by Philip Virgo in the current Transformation Journal
(http://www.transformationjournal.co.uk/) exploring this in the wider context
of government ICT projects.

From: paul canning Date: Jun 01 18:10 UTC Short link

Pete

you mean the piece from Farmer Suffolk on 'woe is us, we do good things and no
one hears about them'? The truly badly edited piece?

No you don't ;] The Virgo piece is very good. I picked some highlights out for
my blog. Pity Transformation Journal is yet another source which insists on
registration walls, which as Tom was pointing out ain't, ahem, 'best practice'
... including commercially.

CapGemini obviously want to sell me something. Tough t**** as I'll redirect
their emails straight to the bin.

From: Dan Jellinek Date: Jun 09 10:41 UTC Short link

hi andy,
as this is a public email list, and archived online, i hope it is ok to use
your comments here (not the brinkmanship ones, but paras 2 and 3) in a story
i am writing about ICELE's demise?
cheers,

dan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Williamson" <andy@andywilliamson.com>
To: <ukie@groups.dowire.org>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] CLG, ICELE and Lichfield

The potential (iminent?) demise of ICELE is worrying.

I sense an element of brinksmanship in the ICELE email - almost
calling DCLG's bluff... fund us now or else. But it is perhaps well
past that stage as I'm sure no one expects DCLG to react at anything
other than a glacial pace. They are clearly not in the loop and
struggling to get themselves there.

ICELE has been far from perfect in many ways and at this point it is
important to separate the people from the institution. From what I've
seen the folks at ICELE have worked hard in difficult circumstances.
Perhaps there is a glimmer of hope out of this that the work and role
of ICELE (and its successors!) can be elevated to the position it
deserves - and as Paul notes receives in other countries. There is a
desparate need for a cultural change towards eDemocracy within central
government but I think this is happening - at least in pockets.

Our role now as advocates for eDemocracy is not to reduce the pressure
but to increase it and argue strongly for a centralised, properly
resourced and commissioned eDemocracy agency.

Andy

2008/5/30 paul canning <paul.canning@gmail.com>:
> two points:
>
> 1. How much money has been wasted on this and other national projects? Is
> anyone other than Public Sector Forums paying attention?
>
> 2. This just highlights for me the absence of any national central point
> of reference for egov. It's splintered all over the place, so no one
> actually working in the area has 'heard of' most of the worthy stuff.
>
> We need an intro point as well as one for researchers - ICELE at least
> tried to be the former with its introductions.
>
> It just pains me that the Australian state of Victoria and other
> governments like Hong Kong and New Zealand have managed 'one stop shop'
> portals to egov for practitioners but all Downing St has led with is
> endless, endless different initiatives with different websites whilst at
> the same time preaching to the rest of us about 'just' directgov and
> businesslink.
>
> We've got truly bad leadership on egov in the country and I'd hope us
> practitioners could say that with a collective voice rather than 'well, on
> the other hand ... '
>
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From: Ella Taylor-Smith Date: Jun 09 11:32 UTC Short link

Hi,
it has just been pointed out to me that I made an unfortunate typo in an
earlier post in thread.
This is what I wrote:
"it means the end of ITC -as far as I can see, Lichfield Council will
still fulfil ICELE's remaining responsibilities."

BUT
this is what I meant
"it means the end of ICELE -as far as I can see, Lichfield Council will
still fulfil ICELE's remaining responsibilities."

Thanks for pointing it out Dan
-Ella

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From: Dylan Jeffrey Date: Jun 17 13:10 UTC Short link

On the 13 June 2008, the Minister for local e-democracy, Parmjit Dhanda M.P.,
announced in a letter to the International Centre of Excellence for Local
eDemocracy (ICELE) Chair, Cllr. Matthew Ellis, that ICELE as a sponsored entity
of CLG, would no longer receive any further funding beyond the agreed life-span
of the programme.

In the letter, the Minister stated, I would like to place on public record my
Departments gratitude for all of the good work ICELE has undertaken during the
stewardship of you and your colleagues, Cllr. Bill Brookes and Cllr. Mary Reid,
and to your support staff during the programmes life-span.

I recognise that ICELE has taken forward the work of several components of the
local e-Government programme including the Local e-Democracy National Project
and disseminated these through your award winning website.  In addition, ICELE
has won some European funding to enhance understanding and good practice around
eParticipation and ensured that assistance to local authorities has been
available on the complex issue of local e-democracy when required.

However when ICELE was established, CLG gave a commitment of funding up to 31
March 2008 with a key objective for the Centre to build a model for long-term
sustainability beyond the programme life-span.  Regrettably, sustainability has
not been demonstrated despite the successful bids for EU grants.

My Department remains committed to encouraging the use of ICT for empowerment
in partnership with others to facilitate and enhance local democracy.  As part
of the Governments work on the forthcoming Community Empowerment White Paper,
we are actively considering how best to utilize new technologies to support
community empowerment.  ICELE has been very active in responding to recent
consultations on a number of issues linked to the forthcoming White Paper and
these have been gratefully received.  However, in looking at this broad agenda,
we have to assess the value, sustainability and potential benefits that other
organisations could also offer in taking forward the work in this area.

In conclusion, I am of the opinion that ICELE, as a sponsored entity of CLG,
should cease operations on the 30 June 2008 [other than core staffing support
activities related to the Review].   I have instructed officials to conduct a
further review in partnership with ICELE on the tools and products produced or
managed by the Centre.  This review will also seek to establish how best any
successful elements of ICELEs work might be taken forward and how
sustainability might be achieved.

Finally, I hope that Lichfield District Council and all other users of the
local e-democracy tools will continue to play a role in taking the agenda of
empowerment using ICT forward.  Improving public services and strengthening
democracy by encouraging active citizenship is a shared political goal and
offers real opportunities to revive our civic society.   Your continued support
and enthusiasm for making this happen at the local level, either through your
blogging as a local councillor or through your advice and guidance to others as
Chair of ICELE, is testament to your understanding and leadership over the past
two years.


For information:

	ICELE was officially launched in October 2006 by Communities and Local
Government Minister, Angela Smith M.P., at the United Nations CIAPR Conference.

	CLG has provided core funding to ICELE of 386,000 for the Centres activities
over the past two years and 234,000 to make the VOICE product fit for purpose.

	The Review of the ICELE portfolio will be conducted to investigate how best to
take forward any of the tools currently being used.  We cannot however continue
to indefinitely support non-sustainable or non-viable e-democracy products or
tools for which there is no demonstrated need.  No decision will be made in
respect of any of the tools and products until this has been completed.

	CLG, in partnership with other Government Departments, are actively
considering how best to promote and utilize new technologies to support
community empowerment as one of the strands in the forthcoming Community
Empowerment White Paper.

From: Dave Briggs Date: Jun 20 10:47 UTC Short link

Just a quick note on the issue of the reports from the national
project, which I know from being a member of this list for while is an
issue close to Ella's heart ;-)

From my discussions with CLG yesterday, ALL the stuff from the
national project is on ICELE's website. You just can't navigate to it,
but if you know what you are looking for and are sufficiently accurate
with your search terms, it's all there.

Can anyone who has knowledge of the documents etc give this a go and
see if it is true? As a relative newcomer, I wouldn't know where to
start!

Dave

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Taylor-Smith, Ella

<e.taylorsmith@napier.ac.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
> it means the end of ITC -as far as I can see, Lichfield Council will
> still fulfil ICELE's remaining responsibilities.
>
> I think there is room for an organisation to  -like ICELE - to be a
> central contact/info point for e-democracy in the UK (I've widened it
> there from local). Where they've collected data and case studies on a
> specific topic (like e-petitions) I've found it useful.
>
> There is also the question of the semi-lost archives of the Local
> eDemocracy National Project (see my earlier post
> http://groups.dowire.org/groups/ukie/messages/post/2huJsvjVemoUPjGsG5JoG
> z ) and the earlier http://www.e-democracy.gov.uk
> which Steven posted about recently
> http://groups.dowire.org/groups/ukie/messages/topic/1lCvOWLG44f7EoN48lYF
> xx
>
> I'd be interested to hear if anyone knows of any plans to create these
> resources
> http://groups.dowire.org/groups/ukie/messages/topic/1lCvOWLG44f7EoN48lYF
> xx
>
> -Ella
>
> Ella Taylor-Smith
>
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From: Ian Cuddy Date: Jun 20 10:56 UTC Short link

Dave and others,

Re Local e-Dem NP outputs, these are hosted also on the CLG's
ProductShare website. Aaccess was restricted to those with a gov.uk
email address but I tried it today and got full access.

http://www.productshare.org.uk/pp/publication/results.asp?categoryidproj
ect=5739

From: Ella Taylor-Smith Date: Jun 24 07:51 UTC Short link

Hi,
(picking up the thread again about the Local eDemocracy National project
archive...)
what I haven't found is a home page for the project that sets out the
basic facts .
1 - The dates
2 -the objective(s)
3 -how it was funded
4 -people involved
5 -how it was evaluated

I realise that some of these elements are available on the website, but
I think an introductory page that links them all together is crucial.

This is needed as a link to add to any reports we write about the
research involved or summaries of the research we've been involved in.

-Ella

Ella Taylor-Smith

International Teledemocracy Centre
Napier University
10 Colinton Road
Edinburgh, EH10 5DT

Telephone: +44 (0) 131 455 2392  Fax:  +44 (0) 131 455 2282
Email: <email obscured>

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From: Ian Cuddy Date: Jun 24 09:00 UTC Short link

Ella

The original site was at www.e-dem.info and is archived in its full
glory at http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.e-dem.info

Someone deleted the homepage last year but stick www.e-dem.info into
Google and you can root around all the files.

Hope this helps
Ian

-----Original Message-----
From: Taylor-Smith, Ella [mailto:e.taylorsmith@napier.ac.uk]
Sent: 24 June 2008 08:47
To: <email obscured>
Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] CLG, ICELE and Lichfield

Hi,
(picking up the thread again about the Local eDemocracy National project
archive...)
what I haven't found is a home page for the project that sets out the
basic facts .
1 - The dates
2 -the objective(s)
3 -how it was funded
4 -people involved
5 -how it was evaluated

I realise that some of these elements are available on the website, but
I think an introductory page that links them all together is crucial.

This is needed as a link to add to any reports we write about the
research involved or summaries of the research we've been involved in.

-Ella

Ella Taylor-Smith

International Teledemocracy Centre
Napier University
10 Colinton Road
Edinburgh, EH10 5DT

Telephone: +44 (0) 131 455 2392  Fax:  +44 (0) 131 455 2282
Email: <email obscured>

http://itc.napier.ac.uk

Napier University is the best modern university in Scotland and 5th in
the UK.
(Guardian University Guide 2009)

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read, copied or disclosed to anyone else outwith the University without
the permission of the sender. It is your responsibility to ensure that
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or omissions arising after it was sent. Email is not a secure medium.
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and filtering by the University.
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From: Dave Briggs Date: Jun 24 09:43 UTC Short link

I am working on putting together a space with a mixture of blogs and a wiki,
seeing the latter as a great place to organise and store information like
this, with the background materials as well as outputs, as Ella points out.
This won't be connected to any one dept of gov't or other organisation, and
so hopefully will be sustainable!

More on this once it's up and running...

D

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Ian Cuddy <

<email obscured>> wrote:

> Ella
>
> The original site was at www.e-dem.info and is archived in its full
> glory at http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.e-dem.info
>
> Someone deleted the homepage last year but stick www.e-dem.info into
> Google and you can root around all the files.
>
> Hope this helps
> Ian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Taylor-Smith, Ella [mailto:e.taylorsmith@napier.ac.uk]
> Sent: 24 June 2008 08:47
> To: <email obscured>
> Subject: Re: [UKIE-EDem] CLG, ICELE and Lichfield
>
> Hi,
> (picking up the thread again about the Local eDemocracy National project
> archive...)
> what I haven't found is a home page for the project that sets out the
> basic facts .
> 1 - The dates
> 2 -the objective(s)
> 3 -how it was funded
> 4 -people involved
> 5 -how it was evaluated
>
> I realise that some of these elements are available on the website, but
> I think an introductory page that links them all together is crucial.
>
> This is needed as a link to add to any reports we write about the
> research involved or summaries of the research we've been involved in.
>
> -Ella
>
> Ella Taylor-Smith
>
> International Teledemocracy Centre
> Napier University
> 10 Colinton Road
> Edinburgh, EH10 5DT
>
> Telephone: +44 (0) 131 455 2392  Fax:  +44 (0) 131 455 2282
> Email: <email obscured>
>
> http://itc.napier.ac.uk
>
>
> Napier University is the best modern university in Scotland and 5th in
> the UK.
> (Guardian University Guide 2009)
>
> This message is intended for the addressee(s) only and should not be
> read, copied or disclosed to anyone else outwith the University without
> the permission of the sender. It is your responsibility to ensure that
> this message and any attachments are scanned for viruses or other
> defects. Napier University does not accept liability for any lossor
> damage which may result from this email or any attachment, or for errors
> or omissions arising after it was sent. Email is not a secure medium.
> Email entering the University's system is subject to routine monitoring
> and filtering by the University.
> Napier University is a registered Scottish charity. Registration number
> SC018373
>
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