Building consensus online/definitions?
From:
John Miller
Date:
Feb 07 16:26 UTC
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Peter is correct.
Participants in this thread have slid around in their definitions of
"consensus" (like me on the highway yesterday).
Start a new thread. Defining terms is helpful.
Opinion: Even talking about consensus obliges us to step outside notions of
dis/agreement, win/lose, vote for/against. It requires an underlying
"paradigm shift" or else the speaker is probably using the term as a synonym
for something else. For example, have you ever heard olde school politicians
talk about consensus? To them it seems to mean beat the crap out of
opponents until the only people left standing are compliant.
Practically speaking, when I'm asked to define consensus (eg while teaching
group facilitation) my "easy" answer is: "Enough agreement that the whole
group can move forward together."
It's like Pareto's principle. There probably should be 20% of the decision
that one doesn't necessarily agree with but one needs to...
- understand where it came from / why it was reached,
- be implicated; actually had an influence; was heard during the
proceedings,
- be able to live with it; not oppose.
...john miller
On 2/7/08, Peter M. Shane <<email obscured>> wrote:
>
> I've been loosing following this thread, but find myself wondering -- is
> everyone using "consensus" to mean the same thing? Some posts seem to aim
> towards something like unanimous agreement. Others seem to mean something
> like "general agreement," even if there remains substantial dissent. Yet
> others seem to mean just a majority conclusion, so long as the dissenters
> buy into the legitimacy of the process. What, exactly, are you all
> talking
> about?
>
> Best, Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pete Thomson [mailto:<email obscured>]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:12 AM
> To: <email obscured>
> Subject: Re: [Consult] Building consensus online
>
> ...Where I'm coming from, basically, is the relatively low level of
> participation in almost all online spaces (low compared to, say, voting in
> elections). It is about point (a) in Michael's labelling of my points:
> individuals and interest groups are not under any pressure to participate.
> That means that (1) there's not seen to be an active marketplace that's
> worth selling into, and (2) legitimacy is weak so action is unlikely
> (unless
> the forum is sponsored by an institution that's committed to acting on its
> conclusions).
>
> This may be getting a bit off topic from Steven's original question, which
> is more about point (b). But actually I wonder whether one reason for
> difficulty in reaching consensus is that the participants don't really
> believe it matters. We may heckle the guy spouting off from the soapbox,
> but
> the discussion with him won't change the way we vote.
>
>
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